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Turning Network Free-Riders' Lives Upside Down
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timothy
on Thu Jul 27, '06 01:00 PM
from the shake-it-like-an-etch-a-sketch dept.
from the shake-it-like-an-etch-a-sketch dept.
An anonymous reader writes "You discover that your neighbours are using your unsecured wireless network without your permission. Do you secure it? Or do you do something more fun? A few minutes with squid and iptables could greatly improve your neighbours' Web experience ..." Improve is a relative term, but this is certainly gentler than certain other approaches.
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Re:It could be worse...
(Score:4, Funny)(http://andrewman327.stumbleupon.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday August 09, @03:31PM)
Goats
(Score:5, Funny)Re:Goats
(Score:5, Interesting)(http://slashdot.org/slashdot.org | Last Journal: Friday August 11, @11:36AM)
If you let your signal spill over onto other people's space, too bad.
In fact, I wouldn't be mad if someone were using my connection without my approval unless they were encroaching on my space to do it. In fact, I only secured it because of bandwidth concerns and the potential for other people to use it for illicit purposes.
Re:Goats
(Score:5, Insightful)Re:Goats
(Score:5, Insightful)(http://weill.org/ | Last Journal: Saturday October 01, @02:18PM)
I don't mind if people want to check their e-mail on my WAP. I do mind when they idle on file sharing services, using lots of bandwidth and exposing me to potential legal liability.
It's a shame that I have to protect my router somehow, especially because one of my devices (a Nintendo DS) doesn't support WPA at all.
Re:Goats
(Score:5, Informative)Re:Goats
(Score:5, Interesting)Re:Goats
(Score:5, Insightful)(http://www.pornforthemind.com/)
Re:Goats
(Score:4, Informative)(http://www.fodors.org/)
A really easy method is to allow access only to specific MAC addresses. I hate encryption since it's such a pain and I don't do anything secure wirelessly anyways. Now all I have to do is set the MAC address on the router and I'm in!
Re:Goats
(Score:4, Informative)Re:Goats
(Score:4, Informative)(Last Journal: Saturday September 15, @12:01PM)
The DS supports WEP. While WEP is immeasurably inferior to WPA, it does at least make your intentions absolutely 100% clear.
While some in the tech community continue to believe they have implied "permission" to use your network if it's not secured, that isn't how the courts see it. Nonetheless, you can satisfy both schools of thought by securing your network even if it's just with WEP. Anyone who persists in connecting to your network will not merely have difficulty using the non-existant permission argument, but they can't pretend they used it by accident either.
At the same time, as you've taken reasonable precautions to prevent misuse of your network, your liability for anything the person who broke in did will be considerably lower too.
Re:Goats
(Score:4, Informative)Re:Goats
(Score:5, Funny)(http://slashdot.org/)
Unfortunately, I believe it's only scaring them away from people who charge them with umbrellas while screaming which, in my experience, is not a significant number. I fear I'll soon have to resort to more drastic measures, like holding out some popcorn and then cold-cocking the first sonofa dove that makes a lunge for it. Of course I'll tell them it's only for their own good, and it hurts me more than it hurts them.
Re:Goats
(Score:4, Funny)(http://fakeaccount.com/~terrahertz/)
Re:Goats
(Score:5, Insightful)(http://www.silverspringsells.com/)
Re:Goats
(Score:5, Insightful)(http://www.pornforthemind.com/)
Re:Goats
(Score:5, Insightful)(http://www.gecko-ak.org/)
I spent three years as an abuse admin at an ISP, and spoke with a number of customers where the only likely culprit for an abuse complaint was someone "borrowing" their Wi-Fi connection (nmap [insecure.org] is a wonderful tool for finding likely infections/file sharing clients). In almost all of these cases, securing the Wi-Fi access point made the problem go away.
It's possible that my customers were lying and that they just latched on to the Wi-Fi excuse to get me off their backs, but after three years, it (usually) wasn't too hard to tell when someone honestly had no clue and when they were covering up
So *that's* why I object to people using my Wi-Fi without permission.
Re:Goats
(Score:5, Insightful)(Last Journal: Monday February 04, @04:31PM)
Conversely, if you find someone else's unsecured wireless network, why would you complain if they decided to flip all the images?
Re:Goats
(Score:4, Interesting)(http://conceptjunkie.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Monday August 25, @11:22PM)
Here's the proper analogy:
I put my garden hose in the street and leave it running 24/7. Is it stealing if you walk up and fill up a jug with water?
I asked a lawyer this once, and he said yes, but he's a jerk so I take it with a grain of salt.
Besides, the law is whatever the **AA buys.
Liability?
(Score:5, Interesting)Re:Liability?
(Score:5, Funny)(http://www.trunkmonkey.com/ | Last Journal: Thursday July 27, @01:51PM)
Re:Liability?
(Score:5, Insightful)(http://bcgreen.com/~samuel | Last Journal: Friday April 30, @03:42PM)
If, on the other hand, you simply mangle the images that (s)he's looking for, then you could say that you're protecting the kid from nasty content.
It's not like you have a contractual responsibility to deliver something that (s)he never asked or paid you for.
It's not their fault...
(Score:5, Funny)Granted, my neighbors didn't intentionally set their router up with that ID but they did leave it unsecured with the default password for the admin account. It was simply the neighborly thing to do to change their ID and resecure it with a new password (that, admittedly, they didn't know).
Should be legal
(Score:5, Interesting)(http://www.adfinemfidelis.net/mongrel/ | Last Journal: Saturday August 24, @12:47AM)
Re:Should be legal
(Score:4, Insightful)As funny as this might be, I don't see it as being worth the potential liability. If the DMCA can attempt to outlaw drawing on your CD with a sharpie, then you could get in trouble for just about anything.
The funnest thing
(Score:3, Funny)(http://klaidas.lt/)
Could just watch
(Score:5, Funny)Re:Could just watch
(Score:4, Funny)Missing the point, I think
(Score:4, Interesting)If your wireless network is unsecured, permission to use it is implied, and there are operating systems that will automatically use such networks, are there not?
Re:Missing the point, I think - absurd.
(Score:4, Insightful)(http://slashdot.org/)
Wireless networks may make themselves conspicuous, but that does not confer an invitation to use them. The connection between "visible" and "inviting" is not legally or morally valid. (I am excepting the concept of "attractive nuisance", but I don't think open routers will come under that area of liability)
Re:Missing the point, I think - absurd.
(Score:5, Insightful)What you are saying is that, unles I put a tarp up around my garden, everyone has a right to use it.
No, actually we're saying that if your garden pelts us with carrots and peas as we walk past on the public street, we're at liberty to catch them and consume them. Only if you place anti-vegetable-flight netting around your garden (or stop planting vegetables that lend themselves to comparison to an unsecured WAP) does it become incumbent upon us to behave as good citizens.
Hey! Analogies are fun! Somebody compare Internet privacy law to hunting and fishing licenses!
Re:Missing the point, I think
(Score:5, Insightful)(Last Journal: Saturday September 15, @12:01PM)
No, it's not implied. As the law stands, it's illegal unless you get something more explicit in terms of permission. Yes, illegal. Yes, people have lost in court. No, not civil court, criminal.
(And it makes sense that no implied permission is given by simply having your router be unsecured, given "unsecured" is the default configuration of most off-the-shelf routers.)
It really isn't an issue in practice. If you want to use someone else's network, all you have to do is ask them. With 802.11, you're close enough to be able to do so. There's no reason not to ask, other than knowing that "no" is likely to be the answer. And I think that's why people tell themselves the myth that somehow they have implied permission simply because the "door" was left unlocked.