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Google Accessible Search Released

Posted by timothy on Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:27 AM
from the what-about-one-for-people-like-me dept.
Philipp Lenssen writes "Google today released Accessible Search, a Google Labs product aiming to rank higher pages which are optimized for blind users. Google asks you to adhere to the W3C's Web Content Accessibility Guidelines if you want to make sure your pages are accessible (and thus, rank better on Google Accessible Search). I wrote a small tool to compare results of default and accessible results."
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  • by jZnat (793348) * on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:33AM (#15750708)
    (http://del.icio.us/jvz | Last Journal: Sunday December 03 2006, @12:45PM)
    Accessible pages typically mean you don't rely on tables to present your content, yet Google still does. Otherwise, very nice to see.
    • Re:Still missing the point. (Score:5, Interesting)

      It depends. If you actually talk to a blind person, tables aren't as annoying as people using characters between links. For instance, doing navigation with a pipe (vertical bar) or some other character sounds strange to them. I worked for someone who was blind and owned their own business for a time. He said cnet was one of the most annoying web properties for him to use. At the time their navigation sounded terrible and was quite randomly placed. He also didn't like navigation at the top as much except on the first page. Worst of all, he hated hearing. about us vertical bar products veritcal bar etc...

      Oh and he used Internet explorer. His software tied in with that so it looked like an ie hit and even tried to load all the crap everyone else deals with in IE. He did IE on windows using a dell.
      [ Parent ]
    • Re:Still missing the point. (Score:5, Insightful)

      by IdahoEv (195056) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:09PM (#15750998)
      (http://www.idahoev.com/)
      Indeed. Point 5 of the guidelines:
      Tables should be used to mark up truly tabular information ("data tables"). Content developers should avoid using them to lay out pages ("layout tables"). Tables for any use also present special problems to users of screen readers (refer to checkpoint 10.3).

      Even Google's ultra-simple front page violates this guideline, despite zero need to do so.

      Point 3 of the guidelines says this:
      Mark up documents with the proper structural elements. Control presentation with style sheets rather than with presentation elements and attributes.

      But if you dig into the source of google.com, you see cruft like this:
      <br><font size=-1><font color=red>New!</font>
      Google fails rather dramatically to implement any web standard, not even including a doctype. These problems aren't limited to their front page, either. news.google.com is just as bad or worse.

      This is really a shame. The content that google presents is lightweight and free of the layout challenges that can sometimes make web standards difficult to follow: Google should be the perfect test case for perfect standards and accessibility. Instead, it's a throwback to 1996 web design. That they're launching a tool to test accessibility to the blind is incredibly ironic.

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    • Re:Still missing the point. by reymendoza (Score:1) Thursday July 20 2006, @09:16PM
  • Accessible Content (Score:5, Insightful)

    From the Accessible Search FAQ:

    How can sites make their content more accessible to the blind?

    Some of the basic recommendations on how to make a website more useable and accessible include keeping Web pages easy to read, avoiding visual clutter -- especially extraneous content -- and ensuring that the primary purpose of the Web page is immediately accessible with full keyboard navigation


    I wish more sites where like that. Do you want info? You get it right there, without all the mumbo-jumbo associated with most current websites.
  • Falun Gong Show (Score:1, Insightful)

    by digitaldc (879047) * on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:36AM (#15750723)
    As opposed to the inaccessible search one gets on http://www.google.cn/ [google.cn] ?

    http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=falun+gong+ is+good&meta= [google.cn]
  • At some point it doesn't matter... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by MudButt (853616) on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:41AM (#15750769)
    I somehow think that a search for "Adobe", "Photoshop", etc. will still give you adobe.com as the #1 result, despite its accessibility problems [contentquality.com].

  • one of the best tool ever (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mu22le (766735) on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:44AM (#15750794)
    (http://muzzle.footourist.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday November 03 2004, @01:10PM)
    I didn't get it initially but this is one of the best tool google ever gave us, most spam sites designer do not care for standards and are left out of the 'accessible' results. I think I'm going to switch to the new sevice soon.
  • This could backfire (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Animats (122034) on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:53AM (#15750861)
    (http://www.animats.com)
    With Google's "Accessable search", sites will be able to tell from their weblogs how many visitors are coming in via the "accessable search" route. So it will be possible to figure out the financial benefit of web accessability. If it turns out to be low, even for pages that Google thinks are "accessable", there's a business case for not bothering with "accessability".
  • Finally I can start using Links2 or even Lynx to start browsing or any other curses based browser... mmm... gopher. Will work perfectly with my pine mail and telnet based IRC.

    I really commend google for providing us and maybe even forcing webdevelopers to use decent, W3C compatible standards. This means soon enough, we'll have websites that aren't IE compatible.

     
  • No sponsored links (Score:2, Interesting)

    by martinag (985168) on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:58AM (#15750900)
    It seems I'm not being served any sponsored links on this one. Nice. I also note that searching for "white house" will put the Wikipedia article above the official home page, as opposed to what happens on the regular search.
  • this is good not only for... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by vindimy (941049) on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:58AM (#15750901)
    (http://vindimy.dyndns.org/)
    blind people. i think we all can benefit from this simple and straightforward representation of search results. i actually like the new accessible interface. it was a kind decision by google to not put any ads in their accessible search. i think more people will use the google accessible search than just the blind people.
    so, has anyone tried using any of the screen reading software to test whether search results are actually readable without looking at the screen?
    and also what about keyboard shortcuts? since blind people can't use mouse, there must be some other way for them to find a search box / search result, right?
  • Opportunities for the blind (Score:1, Informative)

    by krell (896769) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:00PM (#15750915)
    (Last Journal: Monday October 02 2006, @08:42AM)
    There are always sites like www.aintitcool.com that prove that some places are willing to give employment opportunities for the blind by letting them engage in web site design.
  • by giriz (966704) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:05PM (#15750957)
  • Image ALT Tags (Score:1)

    by TheNinjaroach (878876) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:08PM (#15750989)
    Image ALT Tags are useful for more than text-based browsers - they also help blind users surf the web. When images are used as links, the ALT text can help a blind user know what they're getting into before following the link. ComputerWorld had a decent article on websites and their accessibility - they found that most online shopping websites (Like Target or Walmart) don't have any helpful information in the filenames or ALT tags of their images, making it much harder to shop online.
  • AdWords (Score:1)

    by blacknblu (988181) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:12PM (#15751014)
    (http://www.kcmetroweb.com/)
    I wonder if this will impact the paying advertisers. As long as your money is green, you can cut to the beginning of the line.
  • by Anita Coney (648748) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:32PM (#15751147)
    From what I've read of the guidelines, my website gopher://gopherrulez.org [gopherrulez.org] just won't cut it!
  • by saleenS281 (859657) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:56PM (#15751294)
    (http://www.liquidshells.net/)
    So does this mean instead of "grow your manhood in just 2 weeks with these pillZ" they're going to get "get your eyesight back in just two weeks with these sweet pillZ"?
  • Perfect application! (Score:2, Interesting)

    by KrugalSausage (822589) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:56PM (#15751297)
    Has anyone ever had the problem of trying to find song lyrics and being bombed with pages full of nonsence?! First time I tried with this interface I got the exact results I was wanting. So I know now that this is better for lyrics... what else would it be better for?
  • Given the amount of flashy sites around here it could almost prevent blindness
  • For Thruly accessible webpages (Score:3, Interesting)

    by guabah (968691) on Thursday July 20 2006, @01:05PM (#15751368)

    The w3c check is not an acurate measure on how thruly accessible the pages are

    I now this because I have friends who are blind and frecuently use screen reader applications

    If you really want to make sure your pages are accessible then download the trial version of Jaws for Windows [freedomscientific.com] wich is the defacto standard screen reader. This trial is limited to 40 minutes per session, but those 40 minutes should be enough to test your webpages.

    As mentioned in posts above, make sure the content can be reaced quickly by readers.

    • Re:For Thruly accessible webpages (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Bogtha (906264) on Thursday July 20 2006, @01:56PM (#15751738)

      The w3c check is not an acurate measure on how thruly accessible the pages are

      I now this because I have friends who are blind and frecuently use screen reader applications

      Yes and no. On the one hand, WCAG does have acknowledged shortcomings and it's certainly no guarantee. But aural browsers and screenreaders tend to be absolutely awful when it comes to supporting the markup that's intended to help them. They aren't designed to read accessible websites, they are designed to scrape as much meaning as they can out of inaccessible websites.

      So from a practical perspective, yes, you need to test in individual assistive user-agents if you want your website to be as usable as possible by disabled people. But when the markup is fine according to the W3C and assistive user-agents get it wrong, it's usually because the developers of the assistive user-agents haven't even heard of the W3C.

      [ Parent ]
  • by pockyninja (987878) on Thursday July 20 2006, @01:12PM (#15751421)
    So of course the first thing I thought of:
    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/687/3313/1024/s creenshot_004.jpg [blogger.com]

    Not trying to be a jerk, I really was just wondering what would come up. This is a very interesting search function.
  • Great (Score:1)

    by kurtis25 (909650) on Thursday July 20 2006, @01:26PM (#15751506)
    This is very good and useful for the sight impaired and for those who like to avoid websites which are design impaired. I do however wonder how relevant this is, I could achieve similar results with an RSS reader, Firefox and/or a few GreaseMonkey Scripts. Compared to a normal webpage it would seem easier for the Reader to speak the print version so I could use the Firefox extension that forces CNN stories to open in print view. I could also subscribe to just their RSS feeds and get the stories I want on text only pages; the same is true of blogs. I'm sure there would be a way to add RSS feeds to lyric websites, and then Google could put an RSS feed search together. This seems like a better (more forward thinking solution). *disclaimer I have never used a reader nor am I a web guru this is an idea.
  • Finally... (Score:1)

    by tenco (773732) on Thursday July 20 2006, @03:45PM (#15752474)
    a slap in the face of Macromedia Flash.
  • ie - fiefox (Score:1)

    by NaeRey (944457) on Thursday July 20 2006, @04:01PM (#15752611)
    (http://naerey.switch-case.org/)
    Just noted that when you search for Internet Explorer, it returns as 3rd:
    Mozilla Firefox
    Official site of the open-source browser. Includes product downloads, release notes, features overview,...
    www.mozilla.com/firefox/ - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

    unlike normal google.. ?
  • by in_repose (985442) on Thursday July 20 2006, @04:05PM (#15752641)
    But will this accessible search come with the SUGGEST flavor?
  • I ran some searches for terms likely to have a mix of professional and amateur designers. With the 5 searches I did, it looks like 1 site of nine is good enough for the Google Accessible search.

    So the question is: how many web designers will wake up and smell the alt text?

  • Re:Hmm... (Score:2, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:36AM (#15750727)
    I wasn't aware websites were optimized for blind people.

    Many aren't at present, that's the whole point of making it easier to find those that are. Of course, making pages as device independent as practical helps many others as well as the blind.
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:Hmm... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Shimdaddy (898354) on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:40AM (#15750764)
    (http://www.skorchedearth.com/)
    Blind people can use screen readers, but if you bury your content in flash or in images without alt text, it makes it very difficult (impossible really) for the screen reader to know what to say. Also, if you position everything in tables and it loads in a weird order but looks right when it hits the screen, it presents problems, since the reader won't know that the <td> 5 rows down actually explains the <th> 3 columns over.

    CSS can help with this, as it keeps the formatting away from the content, but you still have to keep your .html (or .php or whatever) source files nice, clean and logical. A simple test is, if you can read your source file easily (ie in notepad or vi or whatever) then you're probably ok.
    [ Parent ]
    • Re:Hmm... by jaweekes (Score:1) Thursday July 20 2006, @12:47PM
      • Re:Hmm... by pembo13 (Score:1) Thursday July 20 2006, @01:47PM
        • Re:Hmm... by jaweekes (Score:1) Thursday July 20 2006, @01:54PM
    • Re:Hmm... by element-o.p. (Score:1) Thursday July 20 2006, @02:11PM
      • Re:Hmm... by Uzuri (Score:1) Friday July 21 2006, @03:01PM
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  • Re:Hmm... (Score:2)

    by 88NoSoup4U88 (721233) on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:43AM (#15750783)
    (http://www.nosoup.net/)
    Well, I assume blind people use text-readers as one of their tools; So this pretty much would make any Flash-based site useless.
    I also think proper html-tags might help, so they can easily distinguish content from options/framework.
    [ Parent ]
    • Re:Hmm... by 88NoSoup4U88 (Score:2) Thursday July 20 2006, @12:18PM
    • Re:Hmm... by tehwebguy (Score:2) Thursday July 20 2006, @12:28PM
    • Re:Hmm... (Score:5, Informative)

      by ajs (35943) <ajs@aj s . com> on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:57PM (#15751303)
      (http://www.ajs.com/~ajs/)
      Flash's accessibility features are not terribly helpful. They don't adhere to any standards, and require you to run particular software (they rely on Microsoft Active Accessibility, for example) to be compatible with them.

      No, before you go around spouting "STFU" at other folks, make sure you're able to back up your claims. Just becuase a company says "our stuff has accessibility features" doesn't mean they DO, or that they are useful to people who would need them.

      PS: I just tried to find out more about their accessibility features, but they use Flash to explain that, and I don't have sound on this machine... kind of useless.
      [ Parent ]
      • Re:Hmm... by drinkypoo (Score:2) Thursday July 20 2006, @02:34PM
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  • Re:Hmm... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by statusbar (314703) <jeffk@statusbar.com> on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:44AM (#15750791)
    (http://www.jdkoftinoff.com/ | Last Journal: Sunday July 15, @06:44PM)
    There has been standards for blind web browsing for many years! The problem is that hardly anyone use them, even a lot of government web sites which by law must be accessible.

    The amazing thing is that google, by page-ranking these pages higher, I believe it will do more to improve web accessibility than any law or standards organisation could.

    --jeffk++
    [ Parent ]
    • Re:Hmm... by Dasaan (Score:3) Thursday July 20 2006, @01:18PM
    • Re:Hmm... by Jetson (Score:2) Thursday July 20 2006, @01:57PM
    • Re:Hmm... by andrewman327 (Score:2) Thursday July 27 2006, @10:04AM
  • Re:Hmm... (Score:2, Informative)

    by LiquidCoooled (634315) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:01PM (#15750922)
    Perhaps you need to open your eyes then.

    A well designed standards based website is built in a uniform standard way and contains all the hints required for a screenreader to pickup on.
    Badly designed sites use lots of custom content and stupid user interface elements which make it difficult to access (both from a blind screen readers perspective and usually from a normal users view.
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:What? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by illuminix (456294) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:25PM (#15751096)
    (http://cubemonkey.net/quotes)
    My son is blind. He uses the web with a reader, and loves google. He searches for music, among other things. It's pretty amazing how effecient he is with it, given he can't see. Some sites work better than others. It is possible to optimize a site for the blind. You're ignorant.
    [ Parent ]
  • Re:What? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Arker (91948) on Thursday July 20 2006, @12:53PM (#15751273)
    (http://antiwar.com/)

    Optimizing websites for the blind is about as intelligent as optimizing music for the deaf...

    That's utter nonsense. First off, you think blind people can't process information? WTF?

    Second, it's not even about 'optimising for the blind' so much as simply 'using (rather than abusing) the web.' The web was designed from the start to deliver information in a neutral format so that the user-agent (browser) could then deliver that information appropriately. This may mean laying it out on a screen (of unknown dimensions and capability,) or it may mean speaking it aloud, or whatever. Proper web design is accessible to everyone. The errors that make sites inaccessible to the blind are the same errors that make them annoying and sometimes unusable to the rest of us as well.

    Keep in mind that you cannot dictate layout and use html properly and you'll have no problem. Ignore that fact and you shut out a lot of people, not just the blind.

    [ Parent ]
    • Re:What? by Rifter13 (Score:3) Thursday July 20 2006, @01:25PM
  • Re:"Tab order" for links? (Score:2, Informative)

    by WerewolfOfVulcan (320426) on Thursday July 20 2006, @04:06PM (#15752643)
    Actually, many modern screen readers have the capability of analyzing the HTML document and creating an alphabetical list of the links on the page that they can navigate.

    Here's a list [freedomscientific.com] of Features and Enhancements for the latest versions of JAWS (a widely used screen reader). Reading through them will give you some idea of how screen readers operate. There's a lot more to it than you think.

    Here's a clip from one of them:

    HTML and the Internet
    Improved Performance on the Web

    With the new Internet and HTML support in JAWS 7.10, you will experience increased accuracy, improved navigation, and better text recognition when reading Web pages or other virtual documents.
    Visible Focus Rectangle

    When you press TAB or SHIFT+TAB to move to links and buttons in Internet Explorer and Firefox, the focus rectangle is now visible. This rectangle is useful to sighted users because it visually indicates the location of the cursor. The focus rectangle does not move when you use the arrow keys or Navigation Quick Keys to read.
    Route the Virtual Cursor to the JAWS Cursor

    You can now press INSERT+NUM PAD PLUS in Internet Explorer, Firefox, and virtual documents to route the Virtual Cursor to the mouse pointer. Using this command moves the Virtual Cursor to the current location of the mouse pointer and can help sighted users navigate Web pages. In addition, routing the JAWS Cursor to the Virtual Cursor (INSERT+NUM PAD MINUS) is much more accurate and moves the mouse pointer to the exact character the Virtual Cursor is located on.
    Route the PC Cursor to the Virtual Cursor

    You can now press CTRL+INSERT+DELETE in Internet Explorer, Firefox, and virtual documents to route the PC Cursor to the Virtual Cursor. Using this command moves the PC Cursor (and the application focus) to the current location of the Virtual Cursor. Visually, the page will scroll so that the area containing the Virtual Cursor is visible on the screen. This command is the opposite of the Route Virtual to PC Cursor command (INSERT+DELETE).
    One Setting for Controlling Page Refreshes

    There is now only one setting for controlling page refreshes. Previously there were two settings, one for controlling page refreshes caused by the browser, and another for controlling refreshes caused by embedded ActiveX controls, such as Macromedia Flash. These have been consolidated into a single option for controlling both since it is often not apparent which is causing the page to refresh.
    Improved Detection of Dynamic Page Updates

    Previously, if script code was used on a page to control visibility without the user actually interacting with the page, JAWS would not detect the page update and would either show content that was not really there or not show content which was made visible. This should no longer occur.
    Enhanced Screen Tracking

    The screen no longer scrolls up or down erratically while you are using the Say All command or navigating by other means. The screen only moves when the content about to be read is not visible.
    Document Presentation Mode Line Length

    You can now define how long a single line will be when viewing an HTML page in Document Presentation Mode. This can help you read lengthy tables easier because all the content from each row in the table can fit on a single line. The increased line length stops JAWS from rendering rows across multiple lines. When you exit Document Presentation Mode, JAWS will render the page using the normal maximum line length.

    The default line length in Document Presentation Mode is 400 characters, which is enough to fit most table rows on one line. To change the line length, open the Utilities menu and choose Configuration Manager. Then, open the Set Options menu and choose HTML Options. Enter a new line length in the Document Presentation Mode Maximum Line Length edit box located on the Text tab.
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  • Like this. (Score:1)

    by ESqVIP (782999) on Thursday July 20 2006, @11:32PM (#15754640)
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