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Evolution installer for Win32 Released
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on Mon Jun 19, 2006 01:12 PM
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markybob points out that an unofficial Win32 installer for Evolution has been released, writing "Of course it's GPL, so have fun and spread it around!" From the site: "Evolution is an incredibly versatile email/calendar/PIM that took the Linux world by storm a few years ago. It has been called an 'Outlook replacement' by every tech site from ZDNet to InfoWorld. Evolution played a major role in allowing the Linux desktop to move into the enterprise by giving being able to connect to Microsoft Exchange Server and schedule/accept Microsoft Outlook Meetings. Here's a screenshot of how it handles meeting invitations sent by Outlook."
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Finally (Score:5, Funny)
(http://umich.edu/~jamec | Last Journal: Thursday October 18, @08:11PM)
Re:Finally (Score:5, Funny)
(http://obsessivemathsfreak.org/ | Last Journal: Friday June 09 2006, @08:15PM)
Re:Finally (Score:4, Insightful)
Every time I read one of those "who the F*** needs this integration?" posts I have a strong suspicion that the writer have never got around to work in a real job - he might be some school/college kid who have yet to see what real work looks like.
Re:Finally (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://www.perfectreign.com/)
CALs? (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.ringdev.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday May 08 2007, @01:50PM)
-Rick
Re:CALs? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://idunno.org/)
Re:CALs? (Score:5, Informative)
Not true. [microsoft.com] No matter what type of client you use to access a mailbox, it requires a seperate CAL for each user, unless you go the route of device CALs, in which case you'll need a seperate CAL for each piece of hardware, regardless of what type of client is used.
The fact that each CAL inclueds a license to use Outlook just makes it more attractive for people to use Outlook for their other mailboxes.
Re:CALs? (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://kim.biyn.com/)
Notice I was referring to Exchange and Outlook BOTH together in the previous post. Availability of other full-featured PIM/groupware applications open the opportunity to run servers OTHER than Exchange, AND avoid having to pay for Outlook as well.
Re:CALs? (Score:5, Informative)
Yes. Microsoft licenses Exchange servers on a per-server basis. Client access licenses are licensed on a per-user or per-device basis. They are "access licenses", not software application licenses. There is no requirement to actually use Microsoft software to access the Exchange server, but the access itself is licensed. Even if you use Outlook Web Access you still have to have a device or user CAL for Exchange.
The question of licensing Outlook or Office is completely separate.
To the person who claims that "just because it's in the EULA doesn't make it so", they are only half correct. This isn't an issue of what is in the EULA though. What is at issue is how the software licenses are sold. And if it should come to pass that MS can't legally require you to buy a CAL to access Exchange if you use Evolution, then you wouldn't legally be required to buy a CAL if you use Outlook either. In that sense it is a question of whether CAL-based licensing is legal, not whether or not the use of Evolution circumvents the need for a CAL, and it is therefore irrelevant to this discussion.
Now where's the Intelligent Design installer? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Now where's the Intelligent Design installer? (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.chriseineke.com/ | Last Journal: Friday January 06 2006, @04:23PM)
Re:Now where's the Intelligent Design installer? (Score:4, Funny)
What is that? A crumpled piece of paper with an "X" in big black marker? "Well, we told him it was a drummer's license. He tried to eat it at first, but we stopped him."
Just as well: any line of work where you tend to die in bizarre gardening accidents isn't for me. Then again, I play the viola so what do I know? (More viola jokes than drummer jokes probably.)
Great! (Score:2, Insightful)
Not gonna beat Google Calendar (Score:4, Informative)
(http://www.zombo.com/)
Re:Not gonna beat Google Calendar - oh really? (Score:5, Insightful)
Cant Sync (Score:5, Informative)
(http://blog.vamitra.com/)
Considering I need to buy into the whole google calendar, with gtalk to get reminders, it just is not worthwhile compared to a real PIM manager aka Outlook or Evolution.
YMMV. BOCTAOE.
Re:Not gonna beat Google Calendar (Score:5, Insightful)
Jim.
More is better (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://system.reflecti0n.net/)
...before anybody goes on to tell me how great iCal, GoogleCal or Sunbird is, just like to point out that my clients like many others don't see replacing one app with two as a good reason to switch. Plus, forgoing the option to process meeting invitations with one click would never be seen as an improvement.
OTOH, seeing how impossible it is to wean clients off of IE, Outlook, Acrobat Reader, etc. Evolution needs to be even better than advertised.
Black Marks (Score:4, Funny)
It still doesn't replace outlook... (Score:5, Insightful)
I constantly see these bits heralding how great it is and you can replace outlook, but frankly it just isn't true.
To replace outlook the app would have to do more than just mail, be able to interact with the meeting requests that are sent out and the like.
I'm sure much of the problem is the legalities behind reverse engineering the proprietary protocols MS uses, but with Evolution, can I:
Go into public folders to make posts?
Manage security on inboxes so that say George Smith can also access my mailbox?
Do RPC over HTTPS to connect to my exchange server via the web (OWA)?
I don't mean to bad mouth evolution at all. I think it's great that work is constantly being made on it and they keep bringing it closer to something the windows/outlook exchange users can use instead of something that will run VBS... I am going to try out the new win32 version as soon as I can get it to download and see if I can use it as a sort of 'outlook lite' when I don't need the extra functionality.
I just don't think it's right to consider it an 'outlook replacement' especially in an exchange realm just yet. Outlook isn't just an email and calendar app.
Re:It still doesn't replace outlook... (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Sunday August 06 2006, @10:39PM)
I would like to point out that they actually use iCalendar. This is almost the de facto standard, well for everyone but M$ who seem to think keeping their stuff locked out of standards is a good thing (well it is for their bottomline at least). I never expect this to be a full out Outlook replacement. I am sure the second it becomes one, M$ will change Exchange Server to break it again, but for home users who use outlook this is about the only PIM replacement there is for Palm devices, short of using that ghastly Palm desktop tool.
Re:Further impressions after download (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Which I believe was the original point (Score:4, Insightful)
I must not be that savvy today, after 10 minutes of searching, I still don't have an answer as to why I am unable to connect to a 2003 exchange server. I've found a few references to people having issues with the connector missing, but this doesn't appear to be the case here since I do get the drop down option. I've been watching evolution since ximian did their connector (and back then I decided I wasn't interested in paying for it) and hadn't checked it out since novell took it GPL. Today was my first re-peak at Evolution since pre 2.x.
I'm content to wait and keep watching. Most my users are firefox advocates now, the OE users are on Thunderbird, GAIM is a godsend . . . I'll happily agree with the articles re-claim that its an outlook replacement when it really is true.
Re:Which I believe was the original point (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Re:It still doesn't replace outlook... (Score:4, Informative)
Regarding public folders, they say that you can. I haven't tested it yet, but that's mainly because at my company (400+ users) we don't use public folders. I suspect that we are not the only ones.
Regarding delegate rights on inboxes, I haven't seen that. In some places that I have worked that is a pretty critical ability. But not where I work, and I suspect that we aren't the only ones.
On the third point, I think that you are confusing RPC over HTTPS (a feature that is new in Exchange 2003) with Outlook Web Access (OWA) which has been around since at least Exchange 2000 (not sure if we had it in 5.5). If you are using OWA, then you don't need RPC over HTTPS (which is only supported on Outlook 2003 accessing Exchange 2003). If you need RPC over HTTPS, then I suspect that Evolution won't fit the bill. But since HTTPS and RPC are fairly well known, I suspect that they could manage it eventually.
Re:It still doesn't replace outlook... (Score:5, Funny)
Spam filtering (Score:4, Interesting)
That's great! (Score:2)
(http://timgray.blogspot.com/)
as soon as we can kick exchange out of the server room the better but unfortunately there is no replacement or I'm missing something.
Is there a linux groupware server that works with evolution as the client?
Does it work with Kolab2 yet? (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.gemstate.net/friends | Last Journal: Tuesday September 11, @10:32AM)
A cancer... (Score:5, Funny)
(http://seenonslash.com/ | Last Journal: Friday May 11 2007, @04:02PM)
So that makes Evolution a cancer on Windows and Christians?
Excellent for desktop migrations... (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.timetrex.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday March 21 2007, @11:47PM)
In my opinion Evolution for Win32 will play a critical role in companies switching their desktops to Linux. I think its pretty clear that the most successfully way to migrate people to Linux is to first migrate their windows applications to open source or cross-platform ones, then once they are comfortable migrate their operating system to Linux.
Having applications like Evolution that are cross-platform will only help this process along.
Re:Excellent for desktop migrations... (Score:5, Informative)
(http://projectdream.org/)
Apperently, several references to C:\program files\ where hardcoded. (It's C:\Programme\ in a German XP, and yes, there are lot's of variables for accessing this. Luckily, Vista will fix this mess.)
Also, it didn't link correctly because i already had a global install of GTK (shuffling around %PATH% solved this, though).
After it started, i tried connecting it to our Exchange 2003 Server. Didn't work. Just gave a nonsensical Error Message.
So i tried to connect it to my private mail account, which is accessible through IMAP. Showed all the folders, but no messages inside. Tried to close this abomination, but that didn't work either, so i killed it using the task manager.
There's still a LONG LONG way to go.
Opens up some doors (Score:2)
(http://tomcopeland.blogs.com/)
GUI look (Score:5, Insightful)
Why does Evolution's GUI stand out as much? It doesn't look like a Windows application - the colours are wrong, for one, the toolbar delimiters are non-standard, the up-down widget as well, the checkbox is non-checkboxey, the icons are bland, and there are lots of buttons around.
Is it a GUI toolkit limitation, or...? I mean, no offense, I hear only good things about Evolution from my Linux-using friends, but this wouldn't even blend in Windows 95. I honestly can't see people using it, despite all the bells and whistles it may have.
Why does Thunderbird look like a native Windows application?
Re:GUI look (Score:4, Informative)
About time. (Score:2)
How long 'til MS tries to outlaw using it? (Score:2)
Ha! (Score:3, Funny)
(Last Journal: Monday February 13 2006, @07:11PM)
Ha, just to piss of those open source zealots once and for all like no man has done before, I'm going to finally put my evil plan into effect and send some shivers through the OSS community by downloading this sucker and keep it all to myself ! How about that!
Ahhhh..... (Score:2)
(http://ponsaelius.blogspot.com/)
Thank you, markybob and Timothy! (Score:2)
(Last Journal: Tuesday August 28, @07:41PM)
Thanks!
Not quite what it was hyped to be (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.ceamus.com/)
Beware of software incompatibilities (Score:3, Funny)
Thunderbird replacement? (Score:2)
(http://www.fiestyturtles.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday October 23, @09:07PM)
It won't work (Score:1)
OpenOffice, OTOH, is quite ready to compete with the likes of MS Office for the office suite bloatware crown.
They should just fix it on Linux (Score:1, Interesting)
(http://www.victortrac.com/)
Missing Redistributable dll (Score:4, Informative)
(http://howto.gumph.org/)
Not a great start, but the webdav shared calendar support seems quite a bit faster than sunbird, so that's got to be a step in the right direction.
That is an Outlook killer? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/../)
That interface looks like something out of Eudora circa 1995. No wonder why people don't take Linux on the desktop seriously.
Too bad it doesn't work. (Score:3, Informative)
(http://jwsmythe.com/ | Last Journal: Saturday September 08, @03:38PM)
I saw the article, and got anxious. I told my girlfriend that she can now use the same program that I use for mail. She was anxious too. She has problems with Outlook on occasion, just as any other Outlook user does.
The install went flawlessly, but now Evolution won't start. Her machine is a fairly plain WinXP box, kept up to date fairly regularly (i.e., every night as scheduled)
Too bad it doesn't just work. I'm trying to figure out what it's delima is, but it doesn't make it look like a good thing for an end user. Most people would stop when it doesn't work. I definately can't tell the Windows users "Go download this!", because there may be a number of steps which they may need to do, that are beyond their abilities.
For Mac users (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Thursday September 22 2005, @08:17PM)
I fixed it (Score:1)
Bug.... (Score:2)
What's the point, without Exchange? (Score:1)
Outlook is only a shell of an app without Exchange.
But if you own Exchange you automatically own Outlook for all your licensed users (ie, included in the price of the CALs).
So the only market for this is people who want an Outlook-like application, but are using it in a workgroup environment, without Exchange.
Seems like a niche. If you want the full power, you use Exchange & Sharepoint with office. But if you have Exchange, you already own Outlook. And if you own outlook, why would you use Evolution?
I am going to be a bit blunt... (Score:3, Interesting)
I keep thinking this and for some reason feel the need to finally say it.
Why does 99% of Open Source software look like bad Win95 applications?
I know geeks don't like 'eye candy' but this is getting to the point where even geeks need to embrace images, high color icons and colorful design.
Geeks also need to embrace 'usability' as most products are written as us 'techie' types would be comfortable with, but that is NOT the mass of people using computers. And I don't mean 'copying' MS's usability from 1997 either, I mean real world current usability expectations.
The open source world CAN do so much better than this...
(I know this may not seem like a positive post, but hopefully someone will find it constructive and we will start to see applications that look like they were made in this century.)
At least the uninstaller worked (Score:1)
GTK. my god get rid of it. (Score:1)
(http://www.karanet.at/)
Fry: "So they finally jazzed it up..." (Score:2)
Then Eudora wiped 4 years of email archives and I became a godless heretic.
not good enough, gui-wise (Score:1)
Re:Of course, being from GNOME heritage.... (Score:1, Flamebait)
Re:Of course, being from GNOME heritage.... (Score:1)
Gnome: a solution to a problem noone has. Everyone who has gotten sick of Gnome and KDE: try Xfce 4! You won't regret it. Just the right mix of integration and minimalism.