Danish, Western Websites Under Attack

caese writes "The BBC is reporting that almost 900 Danish websites have been defaced by crackers angry about the recent controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad. From the article: 'What is extraordinary for this Danish case is the speed in which the community united'. Another 1600 or so Western websites have been defaced by the same group. The defacements have ranged from condemnation of the cartoons to outright calls for violence."

Cartoons

If they start defacing websites for just a cartoon, imagine what they will do if it was a offending movie/act: take whole servers and backbones down? Oh the horror.


Serious note: Lets take a look at this situation.

Attack: Cartoon
Defense: Death threats, burn down buildings, deface websites, protests, and the list goes on.

Conclusion: Overkill?

Re:Cartoons

There is no overkill in a jihad. Only kill.

Let's see here...

Cartoon is published that accuses my religion of supporting terrorism and violence.

I protest that characterization by calling for or comitting acts of terrorism and violence, both in the real world, and on the internet.

Nope, no hypocrisy here!

compare..

..that to the way Hindus reacted when pictures of Hindu Gods were depicted on toilet seats (in UK), on footwear and on bikini wear! They had silent (non-violent) protests. Cowards? no, matured!

No higher-order reasoning

The issue about Islamic fundamentalism (and fundamentalism in general) is that it promotes simple responses to simple stimuli. Hypocrisy is simply beyond most of these people to comprehend. Worse, fundamentalists actively seek to ignore higher-level representations. Intelligent Design is about the appearance of adopting scientific thought while actively attempting to shut it down. Islamic militants consistently praise Islam as a religion of peace while threatening others, often taking out their wrath on people who do not have anything to do with the situation. Why? No higher-order reasoning.

perhaps you should read the news

1. 1) The objection is simply the image of Mohammed. The cartoons that were published weren't that bad by any standards.
2. The frenzy whipped up utilized a lot of cartoons that weren't even published. They were much more inflammatory, but the big point is that they're made up. Denmark didn't publish them.

Bottom line is these 14th century nitwits armed with modern technology are a danger to everyone for their ease of manipulation and lack of reason when it comes to anything remotely regarding Islam.
I really doubt Moslems are going to survive in their form for another 50 years. They either blunt themselves (as Christians did) or they're eliminated just like every other non-viable belief system. (Shakers, zoarastrians, et al)

All I Can Say Is...

...it's a good thing it's not fundamentalist Christians doing the rioting.

That would be indefensible by the media.

Hey, come to think of it, there really isn't a lot of that rioting and setting-things-ablaze-for-days thing at all here in The West. Why d'you suppose that is?

g'head, g'head, discuss this amongst yourselves...

Re:Cartoons

Attack: Cartoon
Defense: Death threats, burn down buildings, deface websites, protests, and the list goes on.

If those defenses worked, Cathy would have been off the comic pages years ago.

if it were a movie?

If it were about a movie, they'd track down the director, shoot him eight times, slit his throat, and stab him in the chest, leaving two knives in his chest, one of which pins down a five-page note threatening Western governments in general [wikipedia.org] ... but that's just judging from past performances, and we all know how well those indicate future results.

You know, the usual.

Re:Cartoons

Yeah, but they don't burn down buildings and kill people and promise 5 Kg in gold for killing people related to the blasphemy.

Re:Cartoons

Beware those who are devoid of tolerance.

No kidding! I can't stand assholes like that!

this has to stop

The muslim world HAS to learn to play nicely with the rest of the world or face becoming marginalized. There's only so many times people can read about young girls being gang raped to punish their brother or young girls being forced to stay inside a burning building because they don't have their headgear on... not to mention all of the totally innocent contractors, journalists and students that are murdered for doing their job or even going to school. Where are the women's rights groups?!?!? Where are the "peaceful" muslims?

Re:this has to stop

The muslim world HAS to learn to play nicely with the rest of the world or face becoming marginalized

That's not gonna happen as long as a) the rest of the world needs oil, and b) the muslim world is sitting on most of it.

very sad

It used to be possible to defend Islam to the right wingers in this country (USA) by saying that the terrorism and violence were coming from a relatively tiny number of the practicers of that faith with a very screwed up idea of what that faith meant. No more. Between the raging violence in France and the widespread violence and death threats coming from these cartoons, who can reasonably defend Islam as nonviolent any more?

Re:very sad

It use to be possible to say that Australians were a peaceful and laid back people. But since the riots in Sydney over the lawful arrest and conviction of some criminals, how can anyone possibly defend Australians?

Bad people do bad things. It doesn't matter if they're Muslim, American or Buddist. I'll defend every muslim who doesn't participate in a riot and related actions until they're either all killed, or I die.

Provocation?

I wonder what's going on here? It sounds too much like the "spontaneous demonstrations" that have been happening the last several days. Someone is playing a calculated game here, and it's not only unclear what they're up and who's the prime mover; it's not clear which "side" is stirring the pot [1].

Well, time to start the popcorn since I can't do much but watch. [1] Don't worry -- I won't let the tinfoil hat mess up the microwave popcorn.

I don't understand...

So they're getting all bent out of shape about a comic depicting them as violent and what do they do to protest the comic? They get violent, start riots and deface things.

Seems a bit counter-productive to me.

"The speed with which the community united"

The cartoons were published in September, protests happened in the last couple of weeks. Speed? Not much. What is more astonishing is the extent to which muslims have been shown to be prone to manipulation (on par or worse than the manipulation seen in the US post-9/11). I suppose that is the inherent power of mass religion, "the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions."

bloggers...

You find out the cartoons have already been circulating widely in the muslims world during height of ramadan in Oct 05. Next, you find out a Danish Immam invader added more cartoons to the bunch. Then you find out the Danes will head the security council in the near future. What makes it even more funny, is your own western papers ( not knowing the cartoons were circulated in the islamic world without riots ) then turn around and censor the cartoons to the american public -- out of multicultural sensitivity.

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The Ranting Sandmonkey, an Egyptian blog, illustrates just how bogus the MSM refusal to discuss the Danish cartoons "out of respect for Islam" is:

Freedom For Egyptians reminded me why the cartoons looked so familiar to me: they were actually printed in the Egyptian Newspaper Al Fagr back in October 2005. I repeat, October 2005, during Ramadan, for all the egyptian muslim population to see, and not a single squeak of outrage was present. Al Fagr isn't a small newspaper either: it has respectable circulation in Egypt, since it's helmed by known Journalist Adel Hamoudah. Looking around in my house I found the copy of the newspaper, so I decided to scan it and present to all of you to see.

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'The past as prologue'

http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/ [blogspot.com]

Cartoons were previously published in Egypt, no pr

The cartoons were published in Egypt, and there was no problem:

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/boy cott-egypt.html [blogspot.com]

Anyone heard about this? Looks like there is a double-standard.

No one really cares about the cartoons

There's no genuine anger about the cartoons. They were published 6 months ago.

The cartoons are just an excuse. The cartoon riots are about rioting, not about cartoons. Rioters riot for fun and profit. Protests are arranged to gain political power for the people arranging them.

Web sites are defaced for the same reason bricks are thrown through windows. It's the same reason Reginald Denny [wikipedia.org] was beat up. It's a combination of hate and the idea that "we can get away with it this time".

I advise not enabling the rioters and web-page defacers by giving them what they want: attention, concessions, etc.

Semi-OT: On Violence

I certainly respect the Muslims who feel offended, but if they are going to live in a liberal democracy, they're going to have to just accept the fact that they're going to be offended.

I'm agnostic. I get offended when my state's motto is "With God, all things are possible". I don't like hearing "God Bless America" every time George Bush opens his mouth. I do understand I live in a country with religious freedom, and I'm just going to have to take it. If I can't take it anymore, I'll move to a country that supresses religious liberties.

Many of the European Muslims think they can get the good benefits of a liberal democracy (decent jobs, market-based economy), while asking for special status for their religious beliefs. Someone needs to tell them part of living in a liberal democracy is having thick skin.

Re:Really offensive...

For a reasonable time-line of this issue, check out Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muham mad_cartoons_controversy [wikipedia.org]

Re:Here we go again...

You just made a comparison, saying that Hindus or Jews would not be reacting violently in a similar situation.

But then you seem to restrain yourself from saying outright, that Muslims are freaking savages. Even though you did mention that "war seems to be what they want". I guess you were about to say what was on your mind, but political correctness and liberal virtues so cherished on Slashdot made you refrain.

Well, I'll say it for you. Too many Muslims are freaking savages. Yeah I'm sure there are peaceful and civilized ones out there, but if you look at the ratio of peaceful citizens to raving nuts and compare it to that of Christian nations or Buddhist nations or Shinto nations or whatever, you can't help but come to the conclusion that Muslim, as it exists in the real world today (and not in theory), is a barbaric, violent, repressive religion.

Re:joke time

Q: How do you make jokes that suck?

A: Like this.