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Flushing the Net Down the Tubes

Posted by samzenpus on Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:55 AM
from the if-you-read-one-essay-this-year dept.
netcetra writes "From a post by on CircleID by Phillip J. Windley: 'Doc Searls has written a brilliant piece framing the battle for the Net at Linux Journal. ... if you take the time to read just one essay on the Net and the politics surround it this year, read this one.' Quote from Doc himself: 'This is a long essay. There is, however, no limit to how long I could have made it. The subjects covered here are no less enormous than the Net and its future. Even optimists agree that the Net's future as a free and open environment for business and culture is facing many threats. We can't begin to cover them all or cover all the ways we can fight them. I believe, however, that there is one sure way to fight all of these threats at once, and without doing it the bad guys will win. That's what this essay is about.' Also see additional background on the piece on Doc Searls blog."
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  • by Senes (928228) on Thursday November 17 2005, @12:58AM (#14050104)
    In other media such as television and radio, it takes a great deal of resouces to be able to broadcast your information outward. Anyone can connect to the internet, and unless ISPs suddenly find the motivation and the money to start taking fine tuned control over what every user does, anyone can host their own information and data.
    • by Bonker (243350) on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:05AM (#14050134)
      I have to disagree. The problem here is not that the ability is going away, but that the freedom is going away. Those who take the freedom, those who excercise the ability in the face of legislation, are more and more often having to do it at risk to themselves or those around them.

      How many companies can I badmouth before they shut me up by suing me?

      How longer can I criticize the government before I get sent to Guantanamo?

      Widespread lawbreaking indicates a problem with the laws, and not with the crime. This is why copyright law is so ineffective. It's also the reason that drug law doesn't really work.

      In this case, however, more power is moving away from inviduals faster than it's coming to them. Of those who take that power back, by whatever means, more and more of them will be made to suffer.
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      • Re:Internet freedom isn't going anywhere. by DoorFrame (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:18AM
      • by aussie_a (778472) on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:24AM (#14050184)
        (Last Journal: Friday February 11 2005, @04:09AM)
        How many companies can I badmouth before they shut me up by suing me?

        How longer can I criticize the government before I get sent to Guantanamo?


        A hell of a lot of people do both EVERY DAY on the internet. The majority of people aren't getting sued or sent to Guantanamo Bay. It doesn't appear that there will be a large amount of people going to either place.

        Coercing people by threat of litigation or wrongful imprisonment IS wrong. But that doesn't really have anything to do with the internet. It's a problem in American society, that has moved onto the internet. You can't solve it for the internet only though, without solving it for the rest of society.
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      • by BrynM (217883) * on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:54AM (#14050254)
        (http://www.brynmosher.com/ | Last Journal: Monday August 27, @10:15PM)
        Don't forget that most major broadband ISPs block known server ports and restrict you from running servers in their EULA. At first it was so businesses didn't just start using broadband in lieu of "premium" accounts. Too bad, because broadband is so common now that it's what most businesses use anyway. The only real "cost" the ISP incurrs by making them use a "premium" account is a higher bandwidth cap and un-blockings some ports. It's an anachronistic practice, but greed keeps it going.

        Running a personal wiki or having a photo-share server for friends seems like a technical imposibility to most lay people because of this. The truth is, most of it can be done with easy to use software today. It should be trivial for the end user. Run an installer and start going. I seem to remember dreams of this being what the internet was for - back in the day... Remember when having a webcam wasn't mainly just for IM?

        Yes I know that script kiddies have made this idea a playground for malware and things need to be blocked upstream for authentication-less ports sometimes. I do firmly believe that if everyone knew it was initially prety much their right to add their info to the internet, MS would have never been so lax and security would have had the focus by all of us that it should have gotten. The software that enables a home desktop to be a server would be way more mature due to popularity. In some ways, IM epitomizes this need to share with eachother.

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      • Re:Internet freedom isn't going anywhere. by velsin.lionhart (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @12:36PM
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    • by guardiangod (880192) on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:17AM (#14050166)
      The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

      Are you vigilant?
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    • by eln (21727) on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:23AM (#14050180)
      Yes, it's cheaper to publish information on the Net than in almost any other media, but it's also cheaper and easier to block said content on the Net than almost any other media. It's not about ISPs finding motivation to block people, it's about governments and other organizations (through lawsuits and other means) providing ISPs the motivation to do so. It is then up to the ISPs to find the motivation to resist those efforts, and most ISPs don't care enough to bother.

      In the old days of mom and pop ISPs, when profit margins were (relatively) high, and the Internet was more of a wild frontier, the ISPs often fought tooth and nail to keep from giving away even the most innocuous of customer data to anyone. These days, however, the mom and pop ISP is virtually nonexistent, and the margins in the ISP business are not sufficient to allow any ISP to protect the rights of its clients.

      The Internet is still the most "free" of all available media, but that status is definitely under threat. As more powerful and wealthy interest groups bring more pressure on ISPs and other content publishers, the more difficult it will be for the average Joe to find a place where his voice can be freely expressed online.
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    • Re:Internet freedom isn't going anywhere. by try_anything (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:37AM
    • Re:Internet freedom isn't going anywhere. by surprise_audit (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @07:10AM
    • freedom aint anything if no one hears by cinnamon colbert (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:01AM
    • LJ Down by whereiswaldo (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @10:07AM
    • by lightyear4 (852813) on Thursday November 17 2005, @05:25AM (#14050803)
      (http://www.fugitivethought.com/)

      ...but it is obvious that even the large readership of the slashdot community is either ill informed, indifferent, or uncertain about this issue. Even the article posted at 230am has more activity! This should frighten you!

      Make no mistake...the governance of the Internet and the fight for its control is the most important issue currently at stake. Period. Wars will subside, politicians will be replaced, the world will keep turning. However, if the core principles driving the Internet are not preserved, we as diverse citizens of all nations will forever have lost something magnificent.

      I have been on the Internet for a long, long time. I remember BBSes at pathetic baudrates, when emails didn't travel between ISPs, when there weren't any advertisements online whatsoever. Those of you that remember these changes and are able to see the Internet --- not as it is nor for what it has become, but for what it must be --- please educate the masses. It must exist as a free, uninhibited enity and REMAIN independent of the infrastructure through which it is accessed. Should the day come when borders and binding structure is imposed upon the Internet, we will all have truly lost the most important medium for communcation, commerce, and culture ever created.

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  • by farker haiku (883529) on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:02AM (#14050121)
    as if millions of bytes of ram screamed in agony, and were suddenly silenced. /.ed before any comments isn't a good sign.
  • Timing? by suso (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:02AM
    • Re:Timing? by buswolley (Score:3) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:04AM
    • Re:Timing? by Arandir (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @02:12PM
  • George Bush says (Score:4, Funny)

    by cloudkj (685320) on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:03AM (#14050128)
    Don't worry, guys. Even if we lose one Internet to the bad guys, there are still plenty of Internets to go around.
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  • Well... by briancarnell (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:08AM
    • Re:Well... by ClamIAm (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @07:56AM
  • Greed... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by grasshoppa (657393) <.skennedy. .at. .tpno-co.org.> on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:10AM (#14050147)
    (http://tpno-co.org/)
    ...still one of my favorite sins.

    That and pride are the two things causing the current dark ages of the internet.

    And make no mistake, we are in what future scholars will call the dark ages. We have this wonderful tool for communication which would enable vast networks of not just information, but concepts and ideas to be shared globally. And we are letting ( yes, letting ) big companies/governments take control and destroy this wonderful tool. All to satisfy some board of share holders, or some CEO's pride.

    Whether they see us as the depth of the dark ages, or the beginning is the question I worry about.
    • Re:Greed... by Basehart (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:44AM
    • Re:Greed... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Shihar (153932) on Thursday November 17 2005, @02:14AM (#14050294)
      Do you honestly think that we are in a 'dark ages'? We are accelerating so quickly technologically and connecting so fast that I don't think the average human comprehends it. Think back just 10 years ago. Most people were not connected to the Internet. Internet usage has sky rocketed up faster then anything in our wildest dreams. Further, it isn't even the Internet. Cell phones are another fine example. I remember being awed by my friends massive clunky cell phone in the mid 90's that got shit for reception. Now, it is easier to count the people I know who don't own a cell phone then it is to count the people that do. I got a jump drive I keep in my pocket the other day for $20 with more hard drive space then the computer I owned back in 95.

      Further, it isn't just technology that is interconnecting. The entire world is interconnecting. China, EU, and the US are all so dependent upon each other that any sort of conflict between them is unthinkable to the point that loss of one could lead to a collapsing (or at least crippled) society in the others.

      Look, I am not saying that everything is rosy colored and wonderful, but point to a time in history that was better. Do you long for the brutal dictatorships that existed almost exclusively up until the past few centuries? Do you miss the wonderful days of the industrial revolution when it was common place to die early and lose a hand in hazardous machinery? Maybe you miss the days of American expansion westward and European colonialism that chewed up the natives they got in the way. Do you long for the days when a married woman couldn't own property, much less vote? Maybe you miss the good old days of New Deal, complete with withering racism and World War. Maybe your nostalgia only reaches back a couple days and blindly forgets the Korean War, the Vietnam War, the ever present and very real threat of nuclear annihilation, and starvation in the millions that afflicted pretty much everyone on the Asian content. If this is the Dark Ages, what the hell exactly was everything that came before this time?

      This is only "The Dark Ages" is you are a jaded liberal who has some how managed to shrink his view of history down to the past 6 years or so. Stop, take a deep breath, and realize that 6 years is a hiccup in the grand scheme of things. Further, even in those 6 years things have gotten better despite Bush's ham fisted blundering. Further still, things are better now then they were at any other time in history.

      Honestly, take a deep breath and realize that the world isn't so bad. You can post angry rants on Slashdot, you clearly have an Internet connection, chances are you can vote, and I imagine you probably are not starving. Those four things alone make this time in history better then all the times before it. Relax and don't let today's day to day politics get you all worked up and taint your view of history in the long term.
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      • Re:Greed... by killjoe (Score:3) Thursday November 17 2005, @03:47AM
        • Re:Greed... (Score:5, Insightful)

          by Shihar (153932) on Thursday November 17 2005, @05:02AM (#14050753)
          I would like to point out that it was the liberals who fought for womens rights, civil rights, clean air, and unions. They are still fighting for more and are still being resisted by the same forces.

          Don't take my comment that liberals think the world is coming to an end as a statement against liberals. My point was more that liberals are more inclined to look for the doom and gloom over the past few years and declare that the world is about to come to an end. Pick a broad liberal ideal; civil rights, health care quality/coverage, infant mortality/life expectancy, hunger, tolerance, wages / hours, whatever, it is better today then it was 50 years ago. We are even more well off if you look a 100 years back. Look 200 years back and the difference is so stark that it isn't even a meaningful comparison. The liberals are winning.

          If anyone has reason to cry doom and gloom it is actually the right wing folks. All of their 'morality' issues are being hacked to pieces. There is more sex for non reproductive purposes, greater acceptance of homosexuals, proportionally fewer marriages, more broken homes, and all of the bread and butter of a conservative platform. Hell, the fact that we are at the point where we can even have a gay marriage debate is rocking conservatives to the core. Just 15 years back, talking about gay marriage would illicit roughly the response of talking about bestiality.

          I suppose it all depends on whether you look at the glass as being half full or half empty. In this day and age we have the power and the technology to ensure that nobody is starving, that nobody has to die from poverty or war or famine. All it takes is a little money and little will.

          There certainly is more that could be done, but the relics of the past do not easily die. There is no amount of money, technology, and will that could make North Korea a happy place unless by 'happy place' you mean 'war zone'. War and famine are political problems. No one in this world should starve. Not only do we have more then enough food for everyone, but we are trying to get that food to the people. Somalia is a perfect example of this. Somalians are not starving because the rest of the world is unwilling to feed them. Somalians are starving because short of going in guns blazing, we can't we can't keep our aid out of the hands of warlords. In fact, this very dilemma is what resulted in the US invading Somalia. We wanted to give them food. We had the food and the means to get it there; we just needed to keep warlords from taking it. If you recall, things didn't go so well when we tried to intervene (IE see Black Hawk Down).

          So sure, we could certainly do more, it just boils down to disagreement as to how to do more (does globalism hurt or help?), and the problems with humans some times sucking no matter how much power and technology you have. The larger point is that even though we certainly screw up, fail politically, and in general act like the imperfect humans that we are, we are still steam rolling forward. Things are getting better. A political charged look at the best 6 years might make you think differently, but the second you look at this era from a historical point of view, it quickly becomes clear which direction things are headed. Now is a great time to be alive.
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          • Re:Greed... by bonius_rex (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:12AM
          • Re:Greed... (Score:4, Insightful)

            by Malor (3658) on Thursday November 17 2005, @10:35AM (#14052580)
            (Last Journal: Monday June 05 2006, @05:03PM)
            Pick a broad liberal ideal; civil rights, health care quality/coverage, infant mortality/life expectancy, hunger, tolerance, wages / hours, whatever, it is better today then it was 50 years ago. We are even more well off if you look a 100 years back. Look 200 years back and the difference is so stark that it isn't even a meaningful comparison. The liberals are winning.


            On most of those fronts, we are in poorer shape than we were in 1970. Tolerance is a little better now. Health 'coverage' is up, but in 1970, you could afford routine care on just your wages.

            Literacy is down. Truth in government is down. Government spending has gone to the point of self destruction. The government asserts that it can lock you up forever without a trial and without even access to lawyers. The PATRIOT Act's effects still haven't been fully understood. Civil rights, in other words, have never been in worse shape in this country. Average wages and living standards in this country are WAY down.... a small segment of the population is doing very well, while most folks struggle harder and harder with each passing year. Infant mortality is way up. Hunger is way up.

            This country is broke, way past broke, and it's only the largesse of strangers(foreigners buying dollars, mostly) that allows us to continue functioning at all.
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            • Mod parent up! (some more) by Elrac (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:02PM
            • Re:Greed... by HardCase (Score:3) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:03PM
              • Re:Greed... by Malor (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @02:10PM
              • Re:Greed... by Shihar (Score:1) Saturday November 19 2005, @12:31AM
              • Re:Greed... by Malor (Score:2) Saturday November 19 2005, @01:42AM
            • Re:Greed... by sallgeud (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @02:19PM
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          • Re:Greed... by TheoMurpse (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @10:38AM
          • Re:Greed... by idsofmarch (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @12:19PM
          • Re:Greed... by Dan D. (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @07:45PM
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      • Re:Greed... by leomekenkamp (Score:3) Thursday November 17 2005, @06:18AM
      • Re:Greed... by C0vardeAn0nim0 (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @07:41AM
      • Re:Greed... by Bonobo_Unknown (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:00AM
      • Re:Greed... by trianglecat (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:01AM
      • Re:Greed... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:13AM
      • Re:Greed... by ClamIAm (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:19AM
        • Re:Greed... by Shihar (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @12:27PM
          • Re:Greed... by jbolden (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:37PM
            • Re:Greed... by Shihar (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @04:19PM
              • Re:Greed... by jbolden (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:04PM
      • Re:Greed... by smchris (Score:3) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:42AM
      • Re:Greed... by TheSync (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @10:07AM
      • Perhaps not dark, but dimming ... by Empty Yo (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @11:10AM
      • Re:Greed... by zoloto (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:05PM
      • Roman empire 2nd century by jbolden (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:30PM
      • Re:Greed... by sjames (Score:2) Friday November 18 2005, @02:31PM
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    • Umm, not sure what 'net you are on by Sycraft-fu (Score:3) Thursday November 17 2005, @02:24AM
    • Re:Greed... by DaveV1.0 (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @03:10AM
      • Re:Greed... by SilverspurG (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @09:56AM
        • Re:Greed... by DaveV1.0 (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @04:43PM
          • Re:Greed... by SilverspurG (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @07:08PM
            • Re:Greed... by DaveV1.0 (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @11:27PM
    • Re:Greed... by ClamIAm (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:06AM
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  • this is just silly (Score:5, Insightful)

    by kaan (88626) on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:27AM (#14050191)
    I know all kinds of smart people try really hard to predict things like this, and they give all sorts of explanations that "support" their position. But here is why the Internet won't go away: it is useful, and people like it.

    If you look throughout history, in all cultures, if people find something to be useful, no amount of government or corporate intervention or regulation will dissuade those people from doing what they want. Despite most citizens not giving a shit about voting in government elections, very few people will stand by and allow a government or corporation to take away something they want. It just does not happen. This happens all over the world, in all cultures, and when this stand-off becomes a big enough event, it makes the news as a "revolution".

    So no, the internet isn't going to be flushed down the tubes by ISPs or whatever, because consumers will not allow it.
  • Thank You! by Arctic Fox (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:41AM
  • Searls overstates his case (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:43AM (#14050230)
    Check out Tim Lee's lengthy response. He argues (and I suspect most Slashdotters will agree) that, "The Internet is a massive, chaotic, fiercely competitive ecosystem. No one carrier owns more than a tiny fraction of its capacity. No one company controls more than a tiny fraction of its content. In short, no one company is ever going to control the Internet." The complete rebuttal is available at http://www.techliberation.com/archives/027010.php [techliberation.com]
  • Slashdotted Already by fastdecade (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:51AM
  • You mean the **AA? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by tadauphoenix (127728) on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:55AM (#14050256)
    Only commenting on the article post... it's the "bad guys" that made the internet what it is, including raising the bar in bandwidth requirements and security. Balance without "bad guys" in any environment is impossible. If it weren't for RIAA smashing napster, we probably wouldn't have torrents (at least not yet). Balance.
  • TFA by rangefinder (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @02:01AM
  • City, Where Are You? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by LionKimbro (200000) on Thursday November 17 2005, @02:39AM (#14050364)
    (http://www.speakeasy.org/~lion/)
    There's a book about this.

    It's called City Come a Walkin. [communitywiki.org] It was published in 1980. William Gibson had some nice things to say about it. [darkecho.com]

    The problem, in the book, is the problem we're seeing here. Some rich club mob wants to take over the Internet. They want to control the communications system, and they want to be the gatekeepers of what all will go over the wires. And they're using it to leech off of, and eventually control, society.

    Cities have a way of becoming self-aware. In the book, we meet San Fransisco: City. And we meet Sacramento, briefly. (She looks like a prostitute, apparently.) Chicago's also got a soul- in a living man. New York. Phoenix. The major cities- They start to take on a life of their own.

    And they fight as hard as they can against the network controllers. But... "When the city comes a walkin' we'll all be obsolete."

    I don't want to spoil it. :) Go read it yourself.
  • Demonizing CEO Whiteacre? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by crucini (98210) on Thursday November 17 2005, @02:40AM (#14050372)
    This article is long; I read up to the quote from Edward Whiteacre, CEO of SBC. Whiteacre said obvious and sensible things:
    1. Google, Yahoo, etc. have to pay for transport. That money goes to the pipe owners.
    2. If a cable TV company can offer phone services without paying the city a franchise fee, AT&T should be able to offer TV service without paying the city a franchise fee.

    Somehow, Searls extracted some hideous meaning from these comments. He wants to ask Whiteacre a bunch of deep questions about the Net and freedom. I don't think Whiteacre could answer any of them; nor should he.
    • Re:Demonizing CEO Whiteacre? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by eric76 (679787) on Thursday November 17 2005, @03:18AM (#14050496)
      This article is long; I read up to the quote from Edward Whiteacre, CEO of SBC. Whiteacre said obvious and sensible things:

      We'll see about that.

      Google, Yahoo, etc. have to pay for transport. That money goes to the pipe owners.

      They pay for transport to their local provider. That it isn't SBC does not matter.

      What SBC seems to want to do is to require everyone to be their customer in order to carry their traffic on SBC's network.

      Look at it as if it were telephone traffic. In that case, it is as if they would not complete any telephone calls unless the calling party and the called party were both customers of theirs.

      Or, more accurately, they want to charge long distance tolls. I guess for your $30 per month, you will be able to connect to your local town without paying additional fees. If you want to connect to the next town, you're gong to have to pay more.

      If a cable TV company can offer phone services without paying the city a franchise fee, AT&T should be able to offer TV service without paying the city a franchise fee.

      I never understood the rationale for franchise fees other than just another way to stick it to the public.

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    • Re:Demonizing CEO Whiteacre? by miltonw (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @09:34AM
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  • I Have ADD by bluethundr (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @02:49AM
    • Re:I Have ADD by Anonymous Coward (Score:3) Thursday November 17 2005, @10:04AM
      • Re:I Have ADD by bluethundr (Score:2) Friday November 18 2005, @02:36AM
  • Grassroot MANs Are the Solution by WiseWeasel (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @03:00AM
  • Blah Blah Blah by Kawahee (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @03:08AM
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  • "Content" by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @03:55AM
  • I agree exactly with the thesis of the article. The Internet is being divided and debased by people who care only about avoiding knowledge of their own deficiencies, such as some of the leaders in China.

    The control freaks often get control. In the past, their power over the Internet has been limited by their extreme technical ignorance. Now, more and more, they are hiring technically knowledgeable people to corrupt and diminish the freedom.

    If the healthy people don't assert their authority, the corrupters will debase the Internet as they debase everything else they touch.

    The ceaseless activity of those whose only life is money and who want to make one more dollar has already caused limits to VOIP, for example. The communications companies want to protect their easy profits. They use VOIP, but they don't want us to do it without their permission or without their profit.
  • Can someone answer this.. by js92647 (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @04:40AM
  • The Net? by SoupIsGoodFood_42 (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @04:43AM
  • In America... by jandersen (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @05:02AM
    • FREEDOM! by dwayner79 (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @06:54AM
      • Re:FREEDOM! by wpiman (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @09:04AM
      • Re:FREEDOM! by Bonobo_Unknown (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @09:17AM
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    • Re:In America... by Zobeid (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @09:03AM
    • Re:In America... by gg3po (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @05:53PM
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  • People forgets what the internet is by javilon (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @05:05AM
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  • Tubes? by Douglas Simmons (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @05:21AM
  • Could someone condense it? by RAMMS+EIN (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @05:29AM
  • What a windbag (Score:4, Insightful)

    by FishandChips (695645) on Thursday November 17 2005, @06:52AM (#14051032)
    (Last Journal: Thursday January 12 2006, @10:28AM)
    Just my two cents but I found this article poorly written and hard to follow. So many quotes and right-on allusions: is the writer worried we'll think he hasn't got much to say? And a pervasive sense that drama and crisis are being manufactured from materials that aren't really up to it. Other writers around, notably Robert X. Cringely, cover this territory with more style (and without an obsessive interest in hyperlinks).

    Maybe this guy should leave computers alone and go far away and do something completely different for a year. Great way of clearing the head. Perhaps he'd get some new perspectives on life and find he'd gotten a better writing style too.

    Bob Young, who recently stepped down at Red Hat, made a very important point the other day. The present generation of lawmakers may be clueless about IT, but they are reaching retirement age now. The next generation is a lot more knowledgeable about IT having grown up with it for most of their adult lives. Over the next 5-10 years, expect lawmakers to show a more sophisticated approach to IT legislation and a lot less indulgence towards big corporations and cartels trying to pull a fast one. If this is true - a big if but not unlikely - then Searl's dire predictions are not going to happen.
  • This guy is a hack! (Score:3, Funny)

    by brunes69 (86786) <slashdot&keirstead,org> on Thursday November 17 2005, @06:59AM (#14051055)
    (http://www.keirstead.org/)

    I mean, he loses credibility in the first sentence.. "This is a long essay. There is, however, no limit to how long I could have made it.". Of course there is a limit!

    We all know that the number of computer bits that man could ever possibly compute [physicsweb.org] is 1.35x(10^20), so his essay could *never* be more than that long, or else it would neve rbe completed.

    Foolish!

  • Paranoia by Darkling-MHCN (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @07:10AM
    • Re:Paranoia by ClamIAm (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @09:31AM
  • Danger, Internet Robinson. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by bzipitidoo (647217) <bzipitidoo@bigfoot.com> on Thursday November 17 2005, @08:10AM (#14051301)
    (Last Journal: Monday January 29 2007, @06:49PM)
    The article is long, complex, and tends to hysteria. I'll try to summarize:

    The Internet is wonderful and useful, because it is free. It's freedom is a fragile thing. Forces of ignorance and outright evil are attempting to gain control so they can profit, at public expense of course. If they succeed, freedom will be a collateral casualty. The war is fought at the most elementary level, human language. Those who convincingly define the issues can frame the debate in a manner that assures victory. The other side has won victories by defining the Internet experience in terms of content = property = scarce resource. We have content providers, content carriers, and consumers. And this is the wrong way to view the Internet. The Internet is a commons, where everyone can have their place and publish anything they want. We have to change the debate now! Stop letting these forces define the issues by getting there first and defining them the way WE want, or we'll lose the Internet! Write your congressperson! Join the EFF today!!!

    That's how the article sounded to me. Very black and white. I think some of this is justified, but I object to several things here. First off, the tone of the thing: the article makes up a category with two pigoenholes, stuffs everyone into one or the other, declares one to be right and the other to be wrong, and exhorts the "right" side to go to war to defend us. It's as if the forces on the "wrong" side know very well they are in the wrong, but have made a conscious decision to be evil because evil is profitable. Except they don't know they're wrong, or evil. They are convinced they are right. The response is good intentions lead to hell, and they ought to know better, and therefore they are still evil. But we don't know all that. What seems dangerous to me is this "if you're not with the Internet, then you're against it" attitude that could push a lot of neutrals to the "wrong" side. Worse is singling out some and tarring them as evil-- could anger multifaceted entities with genuinely sympathetic views if this is done in error.

    Second is the presumption that the freedoms and Internet are fragile. The implication is that it wouldn't be so fragile if we weren't so dumb, and I don't buy that. There are simply too many people with too much at stake to allow the Internet to fail, or to be given over to a narrow consortium of interests, or turned into a morass of censorship and patronizing guidance of consumers to products. Many people are too smart to be hoodwinked into going along with such dastardly schemes, and too smart to swallow those lines about it being "for own own good". This illustrates a basic problem with liberals and democrats. They evidently don't see that most people can see these dangers too, and go way out trying to "educate", not realizing that they are actually insulting our intelligence. Most everyone who has experienced DRM quickly perceives what a bad deal it is, and if they don't, need only hear what would be possible if not for DRM and what used to be possible to conclude on their own that they've been had. Ironic that well meant but snobby and elitist efforts to save us from being turned into cattle and suckers talks down to us as if we already are. And ironic that their efforts to strengthen the freedoms and Internet through "better" govt regulation may actually be the greatest danger facing the Internet.

    So what should we be doing? Fighting evil, or educating, or inventing and debating? Or just relax because it'll all turn out all right in the end? Do no harm....

  • Just one defense by Bonobo_Unknown (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:17AM
  • What the fuck is he on about? by DataCannibal (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:18AM
  • More of a dimwit speech than an impressive essay by reignbow (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:35AM
  • War by Jpauls104 (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:42AM
    • Re:War by TheoMurpse (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @11:05AM
  • Whoever subsidize media will control it! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:52AM
  • Mirror (Score:3, Informative)

    by John Jorsett (171560) on Thursday November 17 2005, @09:14AM (#14051744)
    MirrorDot mirror [mirrordot.org] of the Slashdotted LinuxJournal page.
    • Re:Mirror by John Jorsett (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @11:40AM
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  • Please Enlighten Me O Ye Saviors of Freedom by NDPTAL85 (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @09:40AM
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  • One thing Searls doesn't get by windowpain (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @10:12AM
  • From the site: by dcapel (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @10:21AM
  • More conspiracy theories==egotism by redelm (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @10:31AM
  • Intellectual "Monopoly", please by BenoitGirard (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @10:50AM
  • Way to Go Doc! by eno2001 (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @11:07AM
  • DOS attack! by RealityThreek (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @12:11PM
  • I Guess So by Master of Transhuman (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @12:12PM
  • Linux Journal DoS by graemes (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @12:34PM
  • Buggy Whips by RacerZero (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @12:51PM
  • Posting to Slashdot is a DOS attack by bgalbrecht (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:08PM
  • Blah blah fricking blah. by RomulusNR (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:21PM
  • It's EXACTLY what happened to radio. by dpbsmith (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @02:23PM
  • Words not Deeds? by jak.mang (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @02:24PM
  • More Invention by LordMyren (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @08:57PM
  • Slavery and Copyright by Audacious (Score:1) Thursday November 17 2005, @09:56PM
  • Re:Getting rid of the trash. by boog3r (Score:2) Thursday November 17 2005, @01:14AM
  • Re:Getting rid of the trash. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mrchaotica (681592) <<mrchaotica> <at> <yahoo.com>> on Thursday November 17 2005, @01:32AM (#14050202)
    What are you, an idiot?

    First of all, it's impossible to force everyone to do anything. Second, it's impossible to massively delete every single site on the Internet. Third, even if you got every "web-host" to assist you, you still wouldn't get half the sites because they're hosted directly on the owner's machine. Fourth, web sites are not the Internet. There's IRC, Usenet, email, ftp, and about a million other protocols -- there's even still gopher!

    Finally, and most importantly, your entire idea is wrong. It's exactly the opposite of what the Internet is supposed to be, which is unmonitored and Free.
    [ Parent ]
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