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U.S. Government Issues Report on VoIP Security Holes
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CowboyNeal
on Thu May 05, 2005 11:12 PM
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ranson writes "PC World is reporting on VoIP technology's threat of being manipulated by hackers, through call interception and DoS attacks on users' internet connections. While these threats are nothing new, the article cites an interesting government report on the topic, as well as its author, who believes a VoIP user's best protection is security by obscurity."
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VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:5, Informative)
The calls... are highly secure with end-to-end encryption. [skype.com]
Whether their scheme is snake oil or for real, I don't know, as I can't find any documentation on it, much less source code.
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Re:VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyway, it is hard to imagine the FBI allowing ordinary consumers to have encryption they cannot break on their telephone calls. Moderately easy to break, but obscure, encryption is exactly what they would be looking for. 99% of criminals will be too dumb to break it, and the other 1% are needed to justify the homeland security budget.
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Re:VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:4, Informative)
Calls between Skype software users (PC-to-PC calls) are secure and encrypted. Calls to standard telephone or mobile numbers are encrypted until they reach public switched telephone network. Note that in a conference call where one participant is a PSTN (regular telephone or mobile phone) number/phone number, the padlock icon will not appear indicating that the call is not encrypted.
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Re:VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:3, Interesting)
But for the record, calea has nothing to do with VOIP/SIP being encrypted or not. It was more about keeping it simple. Then you are free to add encryption at a lower layer. Much easier to add encryption just prior to the net.
My VoIP calls are secure. (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:VOIP calls aren't encrypted? (Score:5, Informative)
"ENCRYPTION- A telecommunications carrier shall not be responsible for decrypting, or ensuring the government's ability to decrypt, any communication encrypted by a subscriber or customer, unless the encryption was provided by the carrier and the carrier possesses the information necessary to decrypt the communication."
Which in my first glance at this means that VoIP can be encrypted, though if the carrier handles too much of the private key generation, which would be necessary for any non-technical user, the carrier must keep the key for law enforcement use. (I'm thinking that a standalone VoIP phone would need a factory generated key on EEPROM, though software VoIP could use your average PC to generate a key itself.) But then again I'm not even sure if this applies to VoIP since this isn't exactly a service I'm currently familiar with. I'll note though that this is the only place "encryption" came up in a search of the law itself, so there's not much more to look at than the above quote. However, what the FBI and FCC have done in regulations may be a totally different matter. Can anyone clear this up more or is it just a regulatory mess?
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Discussed on the Vonage VoIP Forum (Score:5, Informative)
99 Pages, and a bitch aint one (Score:4, Funny)
stop the presses! (Score:4, Funny)
it's easy to see he's an expert. i mean, who else could come up with such an idea? the very premise of it is far-fetched to the point of hillarity. to think that as a product becomes more widely used it is targeted by a larger population...craziness.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't (Score:3, Insightful)
VOIP nope not for me (Score:3, Insightful)
Big buisness is who wants VOIP cause they want to get rid of the expensive telcom infrastructure and gain a higher degree of control.
Re:VOIP nope not for me (Score:3, Insightful)
Give it time. VoIP will become every bit as protected. There's already too much money flowing in the biz to let it go by the wayside now.
What I think WILL happen is a mass consolidation of most of the current small VoIP companies. Then, of course, prices will rise.
woulda been nice to know it was PDF ... (Score:3, Insightful)
Imagine this, you're far, far away in some distant, lost, Internet cafe. You are deeply in the backwoods of the third world. Your cellular 911, for some reason, isn't working. You see a
1) Is the system locked up?
2) How much is this going to cost now?
3) Is that MODEM actually starting to smoke?
IMHO, PDFs or links, especially unlabelled ones, are less than professional. Please, just say no.
How to Decrease PDF Load Time (Score:3, Informative)
1. Install Adobe Reader 6.0 and notice where it is installed.
2. Navigate to that folder in Explorer, locate the plug_ins subfolder and rename this folder to plug_ins_disabled.
3. Create a new plug_ins folder.
4. Move the files EWH32.api, printme.api and search.api from plug_ins_disabled to plug_ins.
From http://www.mozilla.org/support/firefox/faq#acrobat [mozilla.org]
Gun in a field (Score:5, Insightful)
Imagine every person in the world standing in a gigantic field. In the direct center of everyone is a rifle pointed at the sky.
When the rifle fires, the bullet will go up and then come down and hit some poor sap. But if one were standing in that crowd one could virtually count one's self out as being crowned that sap.
Virtually, but not completely.
That's the problem with security by obscurity. Sure it lowers the chances of being hit. But it's not really security at all.
Is it?
Re:Gun in a field (Score:3, Insightful)
Each individual looks at the situation and determines that their own costs are very, very low--while getting hacked/shot is annoying, the odds of it happening a pretty outside. Taking the "cost" as being the actual cost of an incident times the likelihood of an incident, and you get a pretty low number.
But considering the same question from a group point-of-view, it's not a question of w
Re:Gun in a field (Score:4, Interesting)
Erm, isnt our current knowledge of encryption technology based much on secret numbers? Well, it is 1 in 2^128 or 2^256 or some huge number, but is this teh similar analogy you use?
Well, first off security CAN be improved, but it uses the same techniques I use for software protections.
There should be no meta-data telling what encrypted the data, what encryption schemes, or whatever to even start off. You should consider these to be the first 'shared secrets'. This has a side benefit as when a 3'rd party attempts to decrypt it, it just gives garbage in which SOMETHING has to interpet. It should not be as simple as "GPG v3.2 Diffie-Helman 4096 bit key" does not match
Next off, all decrption attempts should go through. What would you rather do: scan the encrypted files for headers in which to try dictionaries OR be forced to try all types of encryption to try to guess which one does what (if you can).
The next, for network security, is 'knock knock' scripts. Whats safer: login/passwd prompt on ssh OR 10 timed packets aimed at different ports (that change on time of day) that then proceeds to open ssh until disconnect?
I know what I'd choose if it was my security depended on hiding, firewalling THEN login/passwords.
The whole point is OBFUSCATION is a valid security mechanism, not that is the end-all be-all or anything, but it does have its places.
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So what was I supposed to learn? (Score:3, Insightful)
Ok so they can DOS your network connection and kill your VOIP. Uhhh, if you're being succesfully DOS'ed you've got bigger problems than your VOIP not working.
Oh and the other horror? They can listen to your calls? As the article points out this is currently trivial with the POTS, and again if someone can succesfully listen in on your full network connection you've got bigger problems than your VOIP not working.
So why should I be scared again? Sounds like anti-VOIP F.U.D. to me.
We need dedicated boxes (Score:5, Insightful)
VOIP is actually more physically secure then PSTN. You can't just hook a speaker up to a DSL line and hear the conversation on it. The problem is, your computer, and every router between you and your VOIP provider, is a general purpose device. Other people and services have access to it for all kinds of legitimate reasons; each of these provides places where people/programs can input data that can potentially directly effect your voice communications or get privilage escilation on the device and indirectly effect it. ANY security person knows to be wary of input! And think of all the ways of getting input to (and theoretically compromising) a PC. What we need is a dedicated physical console for VOIP (a small linksys network device running OpenBSD or Linux and asterix sounds good). The actual VOIP data should be sent through an SSH tunnel or some kind of VPN.
The big problem with VOIP (Score:4, Funny)
These dipshits sell the customer on thsese solutions and then when it doesn't work (routing probs or dropouts from no QOS) they call us in to sell the customer a couple thousand dollars worth of services and hardware to sell the problem. I don't mind the business but working with a customer who is on the brink of becoming an axe murderer isn't pleasant.
Bah! (Score:3, Informative)
Convincing all the SIP implementations to support SRTP is the Right Thing as a long-term solution -- heck, just implementing SRTP support for Asterisk would be a big improvement. As an immediate-term solution (particularly for companies using VoIP to connect with remote users or branch offices), running over a VPN (particularly with IAX trunking if you're connecting branch offices,