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NETI@home Data Analyzed
Posted by
timothy
on Mon Apr 25, 2005 01:52 PM
from the sharpen-your-knives dept.
from the sharpen-your-knives dept.
An anonymous reader writes "The NETI@home Internet traffic statistics project (featured in Wired and Slashdot previously) has a quick analysis on the malicious traffic they observed. It's a rough world out there." Perhaps not suprising, but still disheartening, the researchers find among other things that a large portion of typical end-user traffic consists of malicious connection attempts.
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But did they find intelligent life? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:But did they find intelligent life? (Score:5, Funny)
(http://eoban.com/)
Re:But did they find intelligent life? (Score:4, Funny)
Considering.. (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/)
It would be like setting up a massive feedback loop on a mail server. When user X gets message X, he passes message X to user Y, who upon receiving message X sends it back to user X.
Standards for viruses? (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://markbyers.com/ | Last Journal: Monday July 24 2006, @12:54PM)
The only way viruses will ever get standards is if the authors agree that they will get a considerable benefit by working together. I can't see that happening.
DSL/modem/router (Score:5, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Wednesday July 26 2006, @04:50AM)
I would like to see more ISP isntead of suplying basic DSL modems with those overpriced sign up deals but instead a proper firewall/router/Dsl modem.
This would save us all alot of pain in the long run .
Recent Worms DO organize to manage utilization (Score:4, Informative)
(Last Journal: Wednesday March 02 2005, @11:08PM)
Code Red II [caida.org] implemented a randomized variant on this: "1/8th of the time, CodeRedII probes a completely random IP address. 1/2 of the time, CodeRedII probes a machine in the same /8 (so if the infected machine had the IP address 10.9.8.7, the IP address probed would start with 10.), while 3/8ths of the time, it probes a machine on the same /16 (so the IP address probed would start with 10.9.)" It means the worms don't have to keep track of phases, but it gets similar effects, and while there is more chance of overlap, it's not too high until the worm's infected most of the net, and the added random searches help make up for machines that didn't successfully infect their netblocks due to firewalls or failures or simple slowness.
At least one worm that took this sort of approach had a bad random number generator, so it kept hitting the same territory too hard and missing other wide-open spaces, which protected a few parts of the net from infection.
RBL of infected/malicious sites? (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://nizo.deviantart.com/gallery/ | Last Journal: Friday November 16, @08:17PM)
Re:RBL of infected/malicious sites? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://unixclan.no-ip.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday December 27 2006, @12:59PM)
Time to drag out this old chestnut (Score:4, Funny)
-Benjamin Franklin
Don't use SSH password authentication (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.google.com/search?q=crackhead)
Re:RBL of infected/malicious sites? (Score:4, Informative)
Very highly recommended. With the case of p2p, it's good to keep your head down. It's the tall ones that get their heads chopped off...
They also have software to convert the lists to various formats for use in different firewalls. iptables fans should check out "linblock". Beware though, a large list can take an hour to parse on your typical recycled firewall box, but the tool merges the ranges to keep the tables as short as possible.
More malware, slower computer and net connection.. (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Tuesday April 12 2005, @06:27AM)
Not necessarily a Bad Thing... (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.bluefeathertech.com/ | Last Journal: Friday November 04 2005, @11:51AM)
Assuming that the statistics show which IP address ranges are the worst offenders for malicious traffic, the ISP(s) responsible could simply shut down the outbound connection(s) of the "problem" users until they de-virus their systems and KEEP THEM THAT WAY.
Perhaps that will help to finally clue people in that having Internet connectivity is a privilege, not a right, just like driving. If you're going to enjoy an Internet connection you need to show some responsibility for making sure your own system isn't going to be a problem to others.
I -still- think there should have been Internet user licenses, just like we have driver's licenses...
Keep the peace(es).
Re:Not necessarily a Bad Thing... (Score:4, Interesting)
Maybe it would be a good idea to throttle the users down to a bare minimum and redirect all http traffic to a gateway page to tell them they have a problem with their computer they need to correct. It seems to work for wireless access points in hotels/airports/coffeeshops. Why can't big ISPs do the same thing?
Re:Not necessarily a Bad Thing... (Score:4, Insightful)
In other news... (Score:5, Funny)
Root of the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Now, stepping back to the Windows complaints...wouldn't the ISP turning off your access motivate you to get a BASIC education in computing and maintain your PC?
To make an analogy, in most states you need to have your car inspected (and some require emissions inspection, too). PUBLIC roadways means you share it with other people...an unsafe car affects more than just you. When you're connected to the net, your PC affects everyone else. I'm not suggesting the ISPs make an inspection system or a law passes to force ISPs to monitor traffic, but the same logic applies....someone should be doing checkups and flagging the offenders.
Cheap access means unsafe computing (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://slashdot.org/ | Last Journal: Monday November 03 2003, @03:59PM)
At least such is their thought process as often presented. I suspect it's bad cost-benefit analysis; if your dumber customers leave, it's probably a net win for you. Smarter customers mean less bandwidth (at least, they don't act as spam zombies maxing out the bandwidth) and fewer tech support hours explaining how to fix the cup holder.
The big players (AOL, Comcast) are the best targets for this logic, but they live for those left-side-of-the-bell-curve customers. They're the "default" ISPs that people get because they're so readily available, so they get all the customers who don't know better. (Hell, I don't know better; I use Verizon for my DSL but I don't let them do anything but provide me bits.)
So AOL and Comcast are in a bit of a bind; they don't want these customers, but they don't want to lose them, either. I think that they're probably going to have to use gentle persuasion to say, "Hey, it looks like you've a spam zombie. Please call your cousin's best friend to clean the crap off your computer again and give you a stern talking-to. And please stop downloading Bonzi Buddy."
Re:Root of the problem (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.etoyoc.com/yoda | Last Journal: Tuesday June 10 2003, @10:53AM)
Re:Root of the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Bollocks.
The aren't running a network in their parents basement you know. Their networks are massive, with nodes LITERALY spanning thousands of miles. The volume of traffic they deal with is HUGE. They use cutting-edge routers just to keep up with the demand.
How on earth do you do traffic analysis on that level? You might be able to catch some of the more obvious spammers, but how do you differentiate (on the IP level) between: a) a residential user b) a commercial user who maildrops willing customers c) a zombie d) a community group or e) blah. Blocking someone based on traffic is not possible, unless you want to lose your valid customers.
What they should do is be more responsive to complaints. If a customer of theirs is a zombie spambot or acting as a stepping stone for some script kiddie, they should have their connection suspended until it is remedied. But they can only do this based on a complaint.
Besides, what's the profit in spending any resource on the problem in the first place? Until that is affected, they won't care about it.
In a few minutes... (Score:4, Funny)
malicious? (Score:3, Informative)
(http://unixclan.no-ip.org/ | Last Journal: Wednesday December 27 2006, @12:59PM)
Flow observation conclusions... news u can use (Score:4, Interesting)
ISPs are already starting to work together on this type of information. If an ISP sees malicious worm spreading behavior, it can upload the offending IP into a global db that all ISPs can use to block at their borders.
Again, the authors conclusions are that nothing beats having a nice dark block to trigger alerts.
Next Step? (Score:4, Insightful)
The biggest problem in Intrusion Detection Systems (buzzword for firewalls with more intelligence than a typical rule-based firewall) is that metrics gathering is occuring at a specific site, making it difficult to discern malice intent from dropped packets or bad coding.
Any time the central server sees a certain threshold of malicious attempts from a single IP, it adds it to a short term blacklist... Make the term length just slightly longer than the reporting period so if it persists it'll remain on the list but if it stops, the IP is cleared in short order.
Spyware? (Score:1)
proposal (Score:3, Funny)
(http://uglyman.homelinux.org/)
This project will record 3 years of data and prove once and for all whether or not it actually rains in seattle.
sincerely,
Kelly H.
Head research scientist
Darington Univeristy of Heretics
The Most Illegible Graphs. Ever. (Score:3, Funny)
Randomly Generated Topics? (Score:1)
(http://dragonfort.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday December 23 2004, @02:21AM)
one of the randomly generated research papers
i got from that MIT research groups website..
(Questions...)
I passed the randomly generated paper around campus to a bunch of C.S. kids and they all bought it without thinking.. Quite amusing...
neti samples (Score:1)
If you build it, they will portscan (Score:1)
Does it prove or disprove simple A==B logic to note that these incidences of spyware and insecurity are growing at the same time as adoption of Linux variants? Just musing on the "l33t win script kiddie finds Linux religion" phenomenon I've been seeing lately.
Anyhow, this does suggest further that security is where it is at for the future skillset of interest at interview time.
Maybe analyze their own network trafic? (Score:1)
April 27th-30th? (Score:2)
Apparently this site will be linked to by Slashdot in two days, but it hasn't been yet...
Big deal. (Score:2)
(http://blog.thoughtspot.net/)
It remains to be seen if I'll find positive results.
-Peter
Neti? (Score:2)
(http://iki.fi/teknohog/ | Last Journal: Tuesday August 14, @06:49PM)
PDF, ack (Score:3, Insightful)
(http://qntm.org/ | Last Journal: Saturday May 06 2006, @09:26AM)
Collecting packets (Score:1)
Sounds like echelon in a new suit.
Anyone get this working on OS X? (Score:1)
Slashdot generates "malicious" traffic too (Score:2)
(http://www.noooxml.org/petition)
If I didn't know it/ ignorant etc, I would see 100s of port scans from a huge , evil T class machine.
Oh btw CmdrTaco, don't hack my machine