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Nikon Responds to Encryption Claims 635

ader writes "In a rare response to public complaints, Nikon has released a statement clarifying the use of encrypted white balance information in the NEF raw data from its digital cameras. They point out that this 'proprietary' format is accessible through the use of their 'proprietary' SDK, which is freely available to 'bona fide software companies' on written application. In other words: open source coders can butt out."
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Nikon Responds to Encryption Claims

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  • Bona - fide (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:43PM (#12325237)
    An OS project coder could be a bona - fide developer - nothing says Nikon wouldn't provide one to an OS project.
    • by r00t ( 33219 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:28PM (#12325547) Journal
      No thanks. I'd want to copy the small scrap of code into my app. My license might be GPL, LGPL, 2-clause new BSD, 4-clause original BSD, MPL, or one of the Creative Commons licenses.

      At the very least, I'd need perpetual rights to compile and redistribute the code as a library. This would have to include the right to fix the code for security holes, to make it 64-bit clean, and to port the code to a big-endian or MMU-free CPU. Throw in any required patent rights as well of course.

  • I don't get it... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:43PM (#12325238)
    Why are they doing the proprietary bit in the first place? Wouldn't they want their product to be as widely useable as possible?
    • by AHumbleOpinion ( 546848 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:52PM (#12325312) Homepage
      Why are they doing the proprietary bit in the first place? Wouldn't they want their product to be as widely useable as possible?

      Widely used by photographers and graphic artists, but not widely used by Kodak and other competing camera manufacturers.
    • Re:I don't get it... (Score:5, Informative)

      by Xyrus ( 755017 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @11:32PM (#12326939) Journal
      This whole thing, including their response, is BULLSHIT.

      The NEF format isn't proprietary. It's a TIFF file. The only thing "proprietary" about it is a handful of tags they use. Crack it open with a hex editor and see for yourself. The only trick in reading in the image data is that it is stored in a "sub-TIFF". So you read in all the regular tiff tags (width, height, color depth, etc.), read in the the sub-tiff (easy enough to find, I don't remember the exact tag number), and you can display NEFs.

      As far as white balance information goes, that is not atrade secret. It's not an algorithm, it's not code, it's not executable. It is data. More to the point, it is YOUR data.

      I could give a rat's ass about their METHOD for obtaining white balance information. But having the white balance data tells you nothing about how they obtained it. It is just data.

      Not only that, but white balance data is essential for all digital cameras for correct image reproduction. All digital cameras (including web cams), obtain white balance information either from the user or the environment via whatever algorithms the manufacturers decide on.

      There is nothing, NOTHING, special about white balance data in a raw file. There is absolutely no reason this data needs to be encrypted. There is nothing to protect. It would be like Nikon saying they encrypt the image data to prevent someone figuring out what algorithms they use to process the CCD data.

      The only fathomable reason for this nonsense is profit, plain and simple. Now that they've been called on it, they're trying the PR spin machine to make it sound like they're trying to help.

      And as far as the SDK goes, good luck getting it. They apparently don't like independant developers (such as myself) writing programs for their cameras. So unless your part of a recogonized bona-fide software developer COMPANY, you're not going to get the SDK.

      So that leaves those of us interested in such programming to reverse-engineer (which I've done so I could access the tone curves inside their curve files).

      First, I found that Nikon was misleading about the compressed NEF files (they are supposed to be lossless raw data, but they're not). Then I found that they were also misleading about how the raw files were produced (raw files are suppose to contain the straight CCD sensor data, but Nikon applies a median filter to the data before it is saved). Sort of pissed me off because I do astrophotography and the filter wipes out stars and other features. And now, they're trying to pull this vomitous crap.

      I sincerely hope nobody believes this, but sadly I think many will.

      My D70 is going on ebay. I'm buying a Canon.

      ~X~
  • by Mr Ambersand ( 862402 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:43PM (#12325239)
    but, correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't this originally brought up on /. because of adobe not being able to access this?
    • by Anonymous Coward
      Yes.

      My guess is that Nikons definition of 'bona fide software companies' is 'software companies able to pay a lot for their proprietary SDK'.

      Probably Nikon thinks that Adobe is very 'bona fide', and thus has to pay a high price for their SDK. It is likely Adobe saw this high price as extertion, and refused to pay up. When Adobe told Nikon that their proprietary format was already known to the public some stupid lawyer at Nikon probably threathened Adobe with DMCA action if Adobe did not pay for Nikons S

      • by jdreed1024 ( 443938 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @09:33PM (#12326463)
        My guess is that Nikons definition of 'bona fide software companies' is 'software companies able to pay a lot for their proprietary SDK'.

        The article appears to disagree with you:

        Once approved, the SDK is provided to the developer at no charge and they are authorized to use it.

        Really, this is much ado about nothing. You have to get "approved" for a PalmOS SDK too. And for an Amazon developer token. Heck, to be hosted on Sourceforge, your project has to be "approved".

        In all reality, I suspect the approval process really just makes sure you're a developer and not just some fly-by-nite company that's a front for Kodak and Canon market research. And possibly also checking that you're not Kim Jong Il trying to bring top secret Nikon encryption to the Axis of Evil. When The GIMP or Debian or Mandrake or SuSE or Redhat is turned down for an SDK for no good reason, then I'll believe it's a conspiracy. For now, I'll chalk this whole debate up to uninformed wanking.

    • Right--the Slashdot editor is just making a big deal out of the OSS angle because (guess what!) this is Slashdot.
  • huh? (Score:5, Informative)

    by Keruo ( 771880 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:44PM (#12325249)
    I guess adobe photoshop isn't nikon's choice for professional image processing then, or the license was too much for adobe to invest in.
  • by S.O.B. ( 136083 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:44PM (#12325253)
    Pictures can be saved as TIFF or JPEG as well as the NEF format.
    • by Keruo ( 771880 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:46PM (#12325268)
      TIFF and JPEG are compressed image types professionals want RAW uncompressed image for maximum quality
      • by Hays ( 409837 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:50PM (#12325300)
        TIFF isn't necessarily compressed, but it's not as good as raw. Raw is before de-mosaicing, before white balance, etc. It is the "raw" signal returned from the CCD or CMOS. (I imagine that's not entirely true, but it's close). And because Raw is only one value per pixel instead of 3, they tend to be much smaller than 16 bit tiffs.
        • Camera sensors usually have 10 or 12 bits per color. TIFF uses 8, so some of that info is chopped. It's the least significant bits, sure, but sometimes that extra shadow or highlight detail is quite useful.
        • That's not correct. Each pixel on a color CCD consists of at least 3 photosites. The typical camera CCD has 12-bits of resolution per photosite.

          In order to ramp down to a standard 8-bits per pixel display, a tone curve is applied to the CCD data. This is what the the D70 does.

          RAW files can be quite large, which is why a lot of the camera manufacturers are offering lossless compressed RAW files.

          ~X~
    • by luna69 ( 529007 ) * on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:52PM (#12325314)
      Most Nikon DSLRs will save as NEF or JPG, but the quality of the image one can produce using NEF-aware software is superior to even an uncompressed TIF because the NEF contains extensive additional data about shooting conditions (think EXIF, but better) in addition to the raw data from the CCD.

      Most serious Nikon shooters I've talked with shoot using NEF (i.e., RAW), archive those, and work with their images as TIFFs after using a good NEF-aware converter like Nikon's Nikon Capture for post-processing, printing, etc.
      • by Alioth ( 221270 ) <no@spam> on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:12PM (#12325447) Journal
        I wonder what they will do with their NEF files in 20 years time when they are long obsolete and the software that converts them won't run on any modern hardware?

        Why did Nikon actually go to extra effort to make their NEF output less useful?
      • by Xyrus ( 755017 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @11:52PM (#12326993) Journal
        NEF files are not true RAW files, at least on the D70.

        The NEF files use a lossy type of compression. The average user wouldn't notice it, but I'm sure some pros will. The copress the dynamic range of the CCD output from 12-bits down to about 10-bits. Their claim is "visually lossless". Sort fo like mp3's being "audio-ly lossless", only less extreme.

        Another not-so-RAW feature of the NEF file is that some sort of filtering is applied to the data before it is saved. Again, the average user probably wouldn't notice it but some pros (and anyone doing astrophotography) would. With long exposures, there is a way to trick the camera into writing the data without filtering it first, but this doesn't work on normal exposures.

        ~X~
    • I don't think you get it. Using JPEG or TIFF is not nearly as useful. Raw format (Nikon's NEF format) allows the user to adjust white balance and other settings after the shot. It's far easier to do it in raw than it is in JPEG or TIFF.

      This whole thing seems like it's driven by Nikon's greed. They want money for their software, and they don't want anyone else taking a slice of the pie. Frankly, I think this will turn Nikon customers towards Canon, Konica-Minolta, etc.
      Frankly, you'd think that Niko
  • Bad Publicity (Score:5, Interesting)

    by luna69 ( 529007 ) * on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:47PM (#12325277)
    This has been / is being discussed quite a lot on various Nikon-related boards. Unfortunately, Nikon is one of the least consumer-responsive companies I've ever come acrosss, to the point where even "Nikon Pros" - pros who exclusively use Nikon gear and evangelize for the company for free - are often not heard by the company leadership.

    Unfortunately, this would seem to suggest that Nikon will be even less willing to listen to open source developers...unless they're loud enough to raise a stink in the mainstream media to some extent. Nikon's announcement about this issue is proof that bad publicity gets their attention...let's hope that there's enough volume to the (well reasoned, intelligent) complaints from the open source community.

    I know I'd rather have some options when it comes to software. I use Nikon's commercial software, Nikon Capture, and it's very, very good...but competition is always a good thing.
    • to the point where even "Nikon Pros" - pros who exclusively use Nikon gear and evangelize for the company for free

      There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUCH THING. Most of the pros you see are GIVEN Nikon equipment. That's why.

      While Canon and Nikon best each other in different arenas, show me a pro who yaks loudly enough about either, and I'll show you someone who gets free equipment. Why? Because they're both very, very good- and as long as you buy the model intended for what you're trying to do (ie, you don't buy

      • by shmlco ( 594907 )
        There is ABSOLUTELY NO SUCH THING. Most of the pros you see are GIVEN Nikon equipment. That's why.

        What planet do you live on? EVERY working pro I know has paid for his equipment. You may get a demo of a new camera, but after the demo period is over the camera goes back and you buy your own.

        Besides, if you're a top tier professional (whom you seem to be ranting about) a $5,000 camera is pocket change, and a $25,000 MF digital back is not much more so.

        • Given... by whom? (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Shag ( 3737 ) *

          Most of the pros you see are GIVEN Nikon equipment.

          EVERY working pro I know has paid for his equipment.

          Thank you for your anecdotal viewpoints. I'll add a third. There are people out there (I know, because I'm one of them) doing serious photo work out there with cameras that were paid for - but not by them. I'm sure I'm not the only person who lugs around a D1 or a D2H that was "given to" me by the folks I'm shooting for, but belongs to them, not me, not Nikon.

          Oh, and there are also the folk

  • by GGardner ( 97375 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:48PM (#12325280)
    Instead of encryption, it'd be useful to have the camera digitally sign images, so you can have traceability from an image back to the camera that made it, "proving" that no photoshop magic happened inbetween.
  • by NigelJohnstone ( 242811 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:48PM (#12325285)
    You take a photograph, you think its yours, taken with a camera you bought, of a subject you chose, with all permissions sorted.

    However you then find there's an extra little catch.
    You can only access your picture with software that your camera maker has decided to approve.

    You didn't agree to any of this, it didn't warn you on the box, nobody told you that the pictures are only your subject to some extra pre-conditions and you had reasonable expectation that the camera would not raise artificial obstacles to you getting at your picture.

    And this situation is somehow supposed to be acceptable?
    • by MooCows ( 718367 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:11PM (#12325444)
      The only thing not functioning in the generic Adobe Raw convertor (which is pretty lousy anyways, Nikon Capture delivers much better quality) are the custom white balance settings.

      Honestly I feel like this is complaining about needing a CD player after you buy a CD (or some kind of CD recording device).
      Remember we're still paying to Philips and Sony for every player?
      This is hardly new. (and somewhat exaggerated imho)
      • by Sycraft-fu ( 314770 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @07:35PM (#12325912)
        Buying a professional CD player, like say a $3000 rig, then trying to hook it up to your professional digital to analogue converter. However, nothing comes out. You call the maker and they say "Oh the data isn't raw S/PDIF, it's a special proprietary format. You'll need to buy this $200 adapter to make it work."

        I mean, when you pay the kind of money a professional camera costs, it's not too much to ask that the software be included at no extra charge. It's a very reasonable expectation that it ought to work out of box with Photoshop. Further I'd say it's reasonable to expect that the format be open. After all, you are paying for the hardware to allow you to capture pictures. How you process them afterwards is your own business.
      • " The only thing not functioning in the generic Adobe Raw convertor (which is pretty lousy anyways, Nikon Capture delivers much better quality) are the custom white balance settings."

        You don't get it. The white balance data is an essential part of the image data. OF YOUR IMAGE DATA. Nikon has no right to lock up any part of your image data.

        Or are you saying it's okay for companies to lock up your IP?

        "Honestly I feel like this is complaining about needing a CD player after you buy a CD (or some kind of CD
  • by pla ( 258480 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:49PM (#12325290) Journal
    In other words: open source coders can butt out."

    In other words, "Would all the tech-saavy people in the audience please discourage everyone they know from buying our products".


    We geeks may not have the sort of numbers big companies specifically target, but we do have something they dream of having on their side - Our positive word of mouth when the vast majority of friends and relatives ask us for recommendations on buying a new product; in this case, a digital camera.

    Guess which product line just got added to my "Whatever you do, do NOT buy this one" list?


    Thanks for the help, Nikon, but we'd rather deal with whichever of your competitors actually wants geeks on their side.
    • by NanoGator ( 522640 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:20PM (#12325492) Homepage Journal
      "In other words, "Would all the tech-saavy people in the audience please discourage everyone they know from buying our products"."

      Yeah! That's how we took down Microsoft!!
      • great idea (Score:3, Interesting)

        by alizard ( 107678 )
        Just what was it that we're supposed to push the public into? Viable camera alternatives to Nikon are off-the shelf. Viable OS alternatives to Windows?

        If you want a successful example of 'the geeks' pushing 'the sheeple' into something, check into Google's history.

        The only viable alternative to Microsoft for home/SOHO users at the OS level is Apple's. You don't agree? Puke up the Kool-Aid, it's interfering with your thinking.

        You want to take down MS? Push Apple and OSX. Or fix Linux.

        The main reasons

      • by pipingguy ( 566974 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @08:06PM (#12326078)

        Yeah! That's how we took down Microsoft!!

        Amusing, but Nikon does not have a 90% lock on cameras and people that spend over $1000 on camera equipment tend to not be ignorant consumers.
    • I think maybe you might be a little unclear on something here.

      Only the D2X and D2HS record NEFs with encrypted white-balance data. These are both professional cameras. The D2HS is a sports journalism camera; the D2X is a next-generation camera that would work well either in the studio, equipped with AirPort Extreme and shooting 12 megapixels of super-RGB color, or in the field shooting 8 frames per second at 6 megapixels.

      The D2HS is $3,500. The D2X is $5,000. Both are for the body alone. No lenses, flashe
  • by anonicon ( 215837 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:53PM (#12325322)
    "They point out that this 'proprietary' format is accessible through the use of their 'proprietary' SDK, which is freely available to 'bona fide software companies' on written application."

    Pardon me, but Fuck' Em with a spoon. They shouldn't receive the support of the open source community, nor should they receive the support of the non-Nikon software community. If they like the bed they're making, then we shouldn't deny them the long-term pleasure of lying in it.
  • by Marcion ( 876801 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @05:56PM (#12325339) Homepage Journal
    It is interesting with companies like AMD, Nvidia or HP Printers etc who have made competitive advantage out of catering (to some extent at least) to GNU/Linux/BSD and other ubergeeks. I suspect the average person who supports Free Software buys way more than the average amount of hardware and gadgets. We also read things like this and vote with our feet. At some point the balance will swing enough to make a real difference to the profit line - if we are not at that point already. The days of begging for drivers are past; the time of punishment for lazy manufacturers has begun. Seems no-one told Nikon to flee from the coming wrath..
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:01PM (#12325367)
    oh... wrong Nikon, sorry.
  • IANAL,... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by karlandtanya ( 601084 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:02PM (#12325373)
    So, somebody explain this to me. What am I missing here?

    DMCA prevents the creation or distribution of a tool that defeats access control measures for the purpose of gaining unauthorized access to protected content.

    Or something like that.

    The white balance information is part of the image data. It's unique to each photo. It's the data that's created when the photographer takes the photo.

    The person who will be gain access via a white balance plugin is the person who has the raw image data--typically the photographer, unless he gives the file to someone else.

    The photographer can hardly be accused of using such a tool to gain access outside of his rights.

    Further, since the tool is freely available to any "bona fide software developer" for the asking, it can hardly be described as an access control measure.

    In short, it's the photographer's freakin' creation. Who the hell is Nikon or anybody else to say what he can or cannot do what he produced?
    • by Hamster Lover ( 558288 ) * on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:22PM (#12325503) Journal
      So software developers are terrified that Nikon will wield the DMCA scythe at them if they reverse engineer the white balance encryption algorithm? How would Nikon have any case when the content in question is owned by the creator, not Nikon?

      To my thinking this is another clear application of interoptibility, so I don't see how the DMCA could apply especially given the ownership of the "protected content".
      • Allow me to speculate as to why Nikon can use the DMCA to "protect" their white balance algorithm:

        Back in the day (to-day, on occasion), I used a camera to fix the play of light onto chemically treated film. I ran the film through a chemical bath, and then ran light through the film onto photo-sensitive paper, which was then itself bathed. While the precise formulations of the film, development chemicals, and photo paper may be trade secrets, the general process isn't, so I could swap various vendors in and

    • Re:IANAL,... (Score:4, Insightful)

      by NetNifty ( 796376 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:27PM (#12325539) Homepage
      IIRC from the last article on this I think the problems come in when you distribute a piece of software that is capable of defeating access control, irrelevent of who actually uses the software.
      • isn't Nikon violating the DMCA with their software by providing access to YOUR protected content?

        Just wondering...
    • Re:IANAL,... (Score:4, Informative)

      by civilizedINTENSITY ( 45686 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @09:14PM (#12326380)
      "The photographer can hardly be accused of using such a tool to gain access outside of his rights."

      Which is what is so insidius about DMCA: it doesn't matter whether you have a legal right to access the data. The minute you bypass an access system, you've violated federal law. There is no problem with accessing your data, per say, it is only in bypassing the access control. Access control is considered sepertely from the data it is controling access to...
      • Re:IANAL,... (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Alsee ( 515537 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @10:14PM (#12326686) Homepage
        Actually if you read the DMCA closely you is not criminal to decrypt the data on your own photos - you are wing so *with* the authority of teh copyright holder. The problem is that it is criminal for anyone to "traffic" in any software or product that would enable you to do so. Anyone distributing GPL code to do so could go to prison for 5 years (10 years on a second offense).

        -
  • by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:03PM (#12325376)
    Would have been to include a link in the main article above to the thread "How to get a Nikon Software Developers Kit (SDK)" on the support.nikontech.com forum on their site. When it was slashdotted with a thousand people registering to get the kit, they might get a clue.

    Fewer than 1/100th of slashdotters who would have gone to that link from the main article will use this one, so it's kinda pointless, but here is is anyway...

    How to get a Nikon Software Developers Kit (SDK) [nikontech.com]

    • "When it was slashdotted with a thousand people registering to get the kit, they might get a clue."

      It would be a bad idea for Slashdot to promote itself as a weapon. Slashdot would be seen as a gang of punks, not as a statistical sample of the victim's customer base.

      Slashdot did the smart thing.
  • by augustz ( 18082 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:08PM (#12325418)
    One thing really deserves highlighting. Nikon writes:
    As a proprietary format, Nikon secures NEF's structure and processing through various technologies.
    Securing this structure is intended for the photographer's benefit... Discussions propagated on the internet suggesting otherwise are misinformed about the unique structure of NEF.
    In other words, they are NOT doing this for their own benefit or to create lock-in or control of how images taken on their cameras may be used, but are doing it for camera owners, or so they say. Seems a bit bogus here...

    A nikon owner myself. Get to make some recommendations at work about a camera, and a chance to move some dollars in a different direction. Actually think enough technical people making recommendations could make a difference.
    • Seems a bit bogus here...

      So you'd rather a dev reverse engineer the format, make an invalid assumption, and have a piece of software you bought suddenly start putting a blue cast onto all of your images because you just upgraded the firmware?

      Nikon isn't saying "you can only use our software", they're saying "we provide an SDK that documents everything, free of charge".
  • by MagnusDredd ( 160488 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @06:10PM (#12325432)
    I am a firm believer in consumer reviews. Meaning, when I am about to buy something I attempt to find people who own it, eavesdrop on people talking about the item in retail stores, read the online boards, etc.

    I cannot tell you how many times I have been in Fry's Electronics (or some other store) talking to a customer about something and they left with a different (better) product than they came in for. The reason is that I don't work for Fry's and have nothing tangible to gain no matter what they buy. I simply like seeing "good tech" survive, and so I thoroughly evangelize companies that treat me well. I do the opposite for compoanies that treat me badly. I can say for sure that IWILL has lost more than 10 sales because of me. IWILL XA-100 had a 40% failure rate (at the local Fry's), and they did not step up to the plate and recall the damned things. I got stuck with one, which was traded out for two others in unopened boxes with no success.

    I have a feeling Nikon is going to lose sales, because now I can use the "I" word that scares Joe Sixpack so much. "Incompatible"... I'll also use another word that is designed to scare Mr. Sixpack, "Proprietary".... I can then go on about how my Olympus takes wonderful pictures, and is "compatible" and "not proprietary" and will work with all kinds of software. Heck, I didn't install the Olympus software, and even lost the disk with the software on it and can still get my pictures. And then mention that most other vendors are open and just work, and express puzzlement at why Nikon hates it's customers...

    This generally works. While I am aware that I may only stop 5 or ten sales, if 10 people did this, it would be 50 to 100 sales, etc, etc. Furthermore people buying the non-proprietary item who are happy with it, will warn their friends away from that vendor. This is viral in nature. It does work, however it is dependant on how many people take part.

    This vendor screw consumer atitude really bends me out of shape...

    Oh BTW, my sister in law's purchased new Ford Focus has transmission problems at 38,000 miles. It also has had the brake system recalled, twice. Currently it eats brakes every 10,000 miles. This is just the beginning of the list. Since Ford has been very little help, they are seriously considering painting the car yellow, and writing the word "lemon" on it.
    • Interesting point of view here, but the people you're talking to at Fry's are a different market than the one this change affects. From my understanding, the only Nikon's that write NEF/RAW images are the digital SLRs, which Fry's may not even stock.

      I do like how you mention that you use a variety of sources to form your opinion, but then you have the example of how you influence sales, and the Focus, which surprise me. If I go into a store and someone tells me that the expensive item I'm going to purcha
  • by arth33 ( 551240 ) <misc33@@@hotmail...com> on Saturday April 23, 2005 @08:18PM (#12326140)

    A new website has launched to advocate for the public documentation of the manufacturer's raw format spec's. From the website "We want camera manufacturers to publicly document their RAW image formats -- past, present, and future. The goal of OpenRAW is to encourage image preservation and give creative choice of how images are processed to the creators of the images. To this end, we advocate open documentation of information about the how the raw data is stored and the camera settings selected by the photographer."

    At present, the only documented RAW format is Adobe's Digital Negative (DNG) [adobe.com]. The current problem is that I dont think it's ever actually been implemented in an actual camera. Adobe provides a free converter, which is great, but it's not the same thing.

    Personally, I'd like adobe's solution. A single format is easier for developers to work with than the ever growing list of RAW formats (even if they are open). It's this thing called standards.

  • DMCA confusion (Score:3, Interesting)

    by MrLint ( 519792 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @08:39PM (#12326244) Journal
    Ok i was following this on the first article, and now i am even more confused. How does the DMCA 'legitimately' cover this. (Im not referring to its typical fraudulent and over board use [see lexmark])

    Nikon cant seriously be claming copyright protection on *other people's* photographs.

    And in any case, like the lexmark issue, this is about reverse-engineering for compatibility. Which IIRC is not actionable under the DCMA. NIkon is merely being obstructionist here. Adobe did this as to splash bad PR on Nikon for being dicks, and as far as i can tell, its working. By having to issue PR to defend their position means they are feeling heat, as opposed to ignoring it and making the public drink their swill.
  • adobe (Score:4, Funny)

    by Zlib pt ( 820294 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @10:00PM (#12326621)
    Isn't it great that nikon SDK info is in adobe's pdf ?
    http://www.nikonusa.com/kdb/sdk/nikon_SDK_request. pdf [nikonusa.com]
  • Utterly ridiculous (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Engelchen ( 878479 ) on Saturday April 23, 2005 @10:16PM (#12326694)
    Speaking as a photographer who uses Nikon equipment, I find this very troubling. As far as connections with Adobe go, Nikon is shooting themselves in the foot if they don't release information. Nikon's digital camera sales would plummet if RAW format usage with photoshop had some important features cut out. But that much aside, I fail to understand Nikon's reasoning behind keeping their RAW data formats a big secret. i fail to see how it benefits them. But then, I fail to see a lot of things... *sigh*
  • by kobotronic ( 240246 ) on Sunday April 24, 2005 @05:27AM (#12327933)
    Nikon is increasingly lagging behind Canon in terms of innovation. Just look at their respective current DSLR offerings, and Canon's stuff is better by any technical definition. Nikon's newest DSLR offerings are marginal improvements and little evidence of real innovation.

    I see this as a clear indication that Nikon is top-heavy and full of staunch conservative bureaucrats unable to move with the times. Management sits in a high castle out of touch. The badly translated but clearly terse verbiage used in this press release further demonstrates Nikon management's mode of thinking sounding similar to what IBM's board was capable of in the 1970s.

    The very notion of "bona fide" software developers is pretty ugly and necessarily implies that some software developers aren't good enough to be working with Nikon. While I'm not particularly worried about open source in this regard - although unlikely, Nikon could just make binary libraries and not share their proprietary algorithms.

    No, my concern is that "non bona fide" developers likely include independent raw CCD photo processing software vendors like those making Bibble, Pixmantec Raw Shooter Essentials, D1SLR and other similar software packages. These applications are designed to decode the raw CCD data from digital cameras using algorithms and color science developed by their respective vendors independently of Nikon. With varied results, but in many cases producing better or at least equal results to Nikon's very expensive Nikon Capture software which is particularly awful in terms of workflow and cost.

    Nikon Capture feels similar to Sony's proprietary software in terms of stability and design clarity. These japanese giants produce an incredibly poor grade of consumer software, light years behind the technical quality of their hardware and so obviously I'm interested in having 3rd party software support for their very good hardware.

    The "official" Nikon mesage is that these measures exist to protect the quality of the decoded images. That's very nice of them. But the pictures belongs to the photographers and photographers should be free to choose the software they wish to use for processing those images even if that means the colors are decoded differently from what Nikon's own best lab technicians have come up with.

    Just as an example, CaptureOne is one Nikon compatible application - it does a superior job of handling moire CCD color noise on Nikon D1x, far surpassing Nikon Capture. Bibble handles colors on Nikon D1 subjectively better than Nikon Capture. Locking out these competing products is simply an awful measure that will not benefit consumers at all.

    There can be only one explanation for Nikon's decision, and that is to produce more orders for Nikon Capture and license revenues from libraries included in commercial products from vendors choosing to use Nikon's official way of doing things. That's purely selfish of Nikonand serves consumers interest in no way!

    I don't know how those libraries work, but from this press release I'd at least assume that they essentially output RGB data processed the Nikon Way, so you'd have pretty much the same result as using Nikon Capture, even if the library is embedded in a different program. That just means you won't be getting a second opinion and photographers using Nikon hardware won't be enjoying much creative freedom.

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