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China Closes 1,129 Web Sites
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samzenpus
on Thu Dec 23, 2004 06:01 AM
from the no-porn-for-you dept.
from the no-porn-for-you dept.
"The related departments have closed 1,278 illegal web sites and 114 sites promoting gambling, superstitious activities and cult propaganda according to the information provided by the informers. ... China's Ministry of Public Security rewarded a number of informers since China launched a nationwide campaign to crack downon the illegal on-line operations."
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Also blocking sites in Thailand (Score:5, Informative)
(http://cityrain.com/)
Who wrote this? (Score:2, Interesting)
So how long...? (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.nexusuk.org/)
My web server was getting massively log spammed from them (even though I don't publish my web stats). The first time round I actually bothered to report the attacks to their abuse address but naturally got no response at all. So the second time I got attacked I had no choice but to just drop all traffic from both their
When will these ISPs realise they're shooting themselves in the foot by forcing everyone to just outright block their networks?
China Cracks Down on Freedoms... (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday November 01 2005, @09:00PM)
1) Freedom of Religion.
2) Freedom of Expression.
Now, I know that we're not talking about the US here, so the Chinese don't have these rights. It's so blatant that the Chinese are never going to change their stance on human rights.
Gotta love the Chinese.
GJC
Re:China Cracks Down on Freedoms... (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:China Cracks Down on Freedoms... (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://www.demolicious.org/)
Re:China Cracks Down on Freedoms... (Score:4, Informative)
Re:China Cracks Down on Freedoms... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.ioerror.us/ | Last Journal: Sunday May 22 2005, @06:28AM)
I'm afraid one of those is a little backward. Try this instead:
If you think America was ever intended to be a democracy, you are sadly mistaken. The founding fathers considered democracy to be the most vile thing they could think of, even worse than the Crown from which they separated. That's why they didn't set one up here.
Re:China Cracks Down on Freedoms... (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.constitution.org/cons/constitu.txt
we have a constitutional republic, it just turns out we've turned it into a democracy... aka the tyranny of the majority.
Re:China Cracks Down on Freedoms... (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://starport.dnsalias.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday February 09 2006, @11:53PM)
Likely, China is a democracy. It just doesn't really mean much because the vote is so controlled. But they still allow *citizens* to vote. (Keyword: Citizen. If you define Citizen to be "white land-owning male" then you have early America, if you defined Citizen to be "member of the communist party" then you have what the USSR was)
This confuses the heck out of people when they're told that East Germany was "Deutsche Democratische Republik" (German Democratic Republic) Anytime I tell an American about this, they say, "But they were a communist state!" It just confuses people to pit Democracy against Communism. Because they're apples and oranges.
Re:China is freer in some ways (Score:5, Insightful)
You have removed choices for me and for everyone else.
Perhaps you would like me to pick out your clothes for tomorrow. Better yet, I'll decide what kind of car you drive (if I decide you get to drive a car at all) and then I'll figure out if you are worthy of...?
We each make choices everyday. Whether they *seem* like small or large decisions, would you like someone else to make those decisions for you?
Re:China Cracks Down on Freedoms... (Score:5, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Tuesday September 06 2005, @12:39PM)
Sometime in our lifetimes China is going to become a consumer culture, consuming many of the goods that it already makes and exports to the rest of the world. My PDA was made in China. My keyboard was made in China. My colour laser printer was made in China. Can you see where I'm going with this?
Sooner or later, China's markets will open up to near Western levels. Chinese people will buy widescreen TVs, computers and designer goods. And when that happens, the gates will open too, albeit in a controlled manner. How strict those controls will be or how they will function is open to speculation but for over a decade now China has been becoming a more relaxed and less restrictive society.
Just because they have limits on internet access now that doesn't mean that they will always have limits on internet access. The US once had limits on the rights of blacks and women, yet it progressed from that point and China will to.
Don't forget, China isn't just a different country it's a different country with a totally different culture to that which we're familiar with in the West. Concepts that seem alien to us are natural to them, and vice versa. And, obviously, it's the negative aspects of Chinese society that always get played up rather than the positive ones.
And when it comes to things as subjective as human rights, please realise that there's an "eye of the beholder" aspect to be considered. You might regard China as being oppressive when it comes to religion or expression but there's not a country in the world that hasn't done the same at some time or another or that has its own human rights abuses going on right now.
So to recap, don't dismiss China as being stuck permanently on hold. China will progress and develop, but at its own pace and in its own time. Who knows when change will come and how suddenly. After all, the day before the Berlin Wall fell, or before Nelson Mandela was released, or any ground-breaking event, who would have predicted that such a radical change would come overnight?
Gov't Represses Rights of Chinese People (Score:5, Insightful)
It is both wrong an very dangerous to think our rights come to us as gifts from our governments.
Sounds like now is the perfect time to use Tor (Score:2, Informative)
(http://www.rememberteh.name/ | Last Journal: Thursday September 29 2005, @10:59PM)
How many sites exactly? (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://jasonhazel.com/)
1984? (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.reeb.freeserve.co.uk/)
Sounds suspiciously like the "Ministry of Truth" from to me....
Re:1984? (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://tits.free6.com/)
China needs to watch itself... (Score:1, Troll)
(Last Journal: Saturday February 12 2005, @06:14AM)
I can say that because I live here, and I am extremely embarrased when yet another stupid law gets passed, which doesn't do anything at all - except make the lawmakers (and its citizens) look dumb.
Too Little (Score:2)
Until they start lining up spammers I really don't care what they do with their section of the Internet.
I'm still for giving the e-chinese the silent treatment.
Whoa ! (Score:1)
(http://techflock.blogspot.com/)
Wonder if it works for something useful as well (Score:2, Interesting)
It doesnt matter what China does (Score:3, Funny)
"I like Chinese,
I like Chinese,
They only come up to your knees"
So that made it official. We like Chinese.
Wond'ring aloud... (Score:5, Interesting)
> The related departments have closed 1,278 illegal web sites and 114 sites promoting gambling, superstitious activities and cult propaganda
Was Slashdot listed under "superstitious activities", or "cult propaganda"?
Drop in reports. (Score:1, Informative)
Yes that right (Score:5, Insightful)
You kill the INTERNET
Yes and in Constitution Repubic USA.
FBI agents raided the Texas-based host of Arabic Web sites [slashdot.org]
and
Al-Jazeera shutdown [guardian.co.uk]
When the Chinese government close down what they consider propaganda, it's these evil communists trying to hinder freedom of speech.
When the American government close down what they consider propaganda. It's because it's propaganda, and not infringing on freedom of speech.
The difference between Americans and Chinese is they realise they are being screwed, where as Americans dont seem to have a fucking clue...
Give me access to a Chinese Proxy (Score:2)
(http://tsfraser.googlepages.com/index.html)
can we get them to shut down the spammers? (Score:2, Funny)
(http://www.jchampion.com/ | Last Journal: Monday October 22, @11:16PM)
while they are turning off the spigot to squelch dissent, can we please get them to turn off the spam too?
So that's why so many come to Mohegan... (Score:2)
Also, you can get non-.cn sites if you're surfing inside China, right?
Hegemon (Score:2, Insightful)
(http://3cx.org/)
I learned a great deal from this book. (Note: By saying this, I'm not pronouncing this book as the bible on China. Don't box me in. Slashdot is good for that.)
An excellent review can be found here [theotokos.org.uk].
Censorship (Score:1)
But..... (Score:1)
effort in futility (Score:1)
I know I'm supposed to be appalled. (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/)
I mean, it's not good that these sites are getting shut down the way they're getting shut down, but they won't be missed.
Even if I could read chinese (well, enough to be able to rightfully claim I can), they wouldn't be missed.
Democracy (Score:2, Interesting)
(http://cubano.ws/)
The population of China is 10 times that of the USA. Does America really want a democracy in China? Imagine 2 billion people voting on the future of the USA(and the rest of us)...
Should the world stop pretending we like the idea of China guiding us? Or do most of us really want China a democracy?
Real reasons.. (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Tuesday September 14 2004, @08:18PM)
8.058.044.651 (Score:1)
Choogle Attack (Score:1)
(Last Journal: Thursday October 13 2005, @10:30AM)
wooo (Score:2)
"and cult propaganda" (Score:2)
(http://freality.org/~pablo/)
There's no shortage of porn sites around.. so, if you want to take down a political site, simply close down a 2k porn sites at the same time.. smart move by the Chinese Government.
I'm waiting... (Score:1)
"Fight the real power"
BC
China And Freedom (Score:1)
Opiate of the People Wars (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/~Doc%20Ruby/journal | Last Journal: Thursday March 31 2005, @01:48PM)
Another example of double standards (Score:2)
(http://slashdot.org/~Spy+der+Mann/journal/ | Last Journal: Thursday November 15, @12:57AM)
The whole chinese internet is upside down.
From the Chinese POV (Score:1, Insightful)
China is a different land with a different culture, you must understand how people over there look out from inside the bottle while we are looking at it from outside the bottle.
remove the word illegal (Score:1)
If you remove the word "illegal" the article becomes more
accurate. Note the East German like "rewarded a number of informers".
It is time for their Berlin^h^h^h^h^h^h Firewall to come down!
Re:Whoa (Score:1)
no... Re:In Communist China (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://www.martianfrontier.com/ | Last Journal: Wednesday January 15 2003, @01:04AM)
These people don't survive long in those prisons.
China oh China when will you give up, and be democratic.. so that you can kick our American financial butts?
Re:no... Re:In Communist China (Score:4, Insightful)
(http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday November 01 2005, @09:00PM)
GJC
Re:We are on the path now (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/)
Just try to be a true radical online ( or in real life ) now, advocating for the next revolution.. Outlining details techniques and equipment manufacture..
I'm always amused by comments like this on Slashdot. Come on--no government, however "free" the country is, is going to look kindly upon people who advocate overthrowing it. Just because a government was put in place by a revolution doesn't mean it would be perfectly happy with being overthrown by another one.
Re:no... Re:In Communist China (Score:4, Interesting)
China already is capitalist. They say they're communist, but then North Korea say they're democratic...
Re:no... Re:In Communist China (Score:4, Interesting)
(http://starport.dnsalias.net/ | Last Journal: Thursday February 09 2006, @11:53PM)
Actually, they'd ban this message, because it exhibits "superstition". I'd complain about this more, except it's all left up to definition of the Government.
For instance, China sees Christianity as subversive and superstition. So, they repress it.
In Germany, Scientology is seen as potentially subversive, and Germany taking a very strong stance against radical groups (go figure why... I mean, having been taken over by a radical faction that caused some of the most infamous crimes in the world? They wouldn't be paranoid about that anymore would they?) have repessed Sociology. There are a lot of Scientologists that gripe all the time that Germany is repressing them. Heck, it's for a good point, they repress *all* radical and reactionary groups.
But, back on topic, Christians around the world are upset at China, and gripe about it a lot. Although, I suppose one difference is that Germany doesn't imprision and execute people who preach Scientology, they just don't recognize it as a valid religion. (Thus, no tax benifits for donations, and they recieve none of the tax collected by the government for the Churches)
Re:It happens... (Score:1, Interesting)
What's the process and for what reasons are sites closed in the West? Is there a fundamental difference between the two? Is there a significant quantitative difference? Is there recourse in those respective jurisdictions for the losing party?
Re:But how does it... (Score:2)
(http://breakplay.com/)
China Closes 1,129 Web Sites
"The related departments have closed 1,278 illegal web sites and 114 sites
I may be a little rusty, but 1278 + 114 != 1129.
Re:Does a country exist that allows free speech? (Score:2)