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A $1 Billion Email Gaffe
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kdawson
on Tue Feb 05, 2008 06:59 PM
from the oops-with-nine-zeros dept.
from the oops-with-nine-zeros dept.
Jake writes in with the story behind an explosive NYTimes scoop last week. It seems that the Times's pharmaceutical industry reporter, Alex Berenson, scored a page-one blockbuster when he revealed that Eli Lilly was looking to reach a settlement with federal prosecutors over the company's alleged inappropriate marketing of anti-psychotic drug Zyprexa. A settlement figure of $1 billion was mentioned. This scoop dropped into Berenson's inbox when a lawyer for one of Lilly's retained firms mis-addressed an email to a colleague with the same last name as that of the Times reporter. Some online observers are speculating that auto-complete is to blame, but this has not been confirmed.
Update: 02/08 17:19 GMT by KD : Jake writes in with an update: it seems that while Berenson did receive a misdirected e-mail from Pepper Hamilton, that e-mail did not contain a detailed description of the status of the Eli Lilly settlement talks. Berenson got his story from other sources.
Update: 02/08 17:19 GMT by KD : Jake writes in with an update: it seems that while Berenson did receive a misdirected e-mail from Pepper Hamilton, that e-mail did not contain a detailed description of the status of the Eli Lilly settlement talks. Berenson got his story from other sources.
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auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Interesting)
If the info was confidential it probably had a confidentiality notice at the bottom of it, stating that if you are not the intended recipient that you aren't allowed to do anything with the email. I saw one of those sig's today and started to wonder if that was legally binding in any way. Maybe we will find out now!
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Interesting)
These types of court decisions would not, however, support a "prior restraint" such as a court order prohibiting the NYT from publishing the information, see, e.g., New York Times Co. v. United States [wikipedia.org] , 403 U.S. 713 [cornell.edu] (1971) (5-to-3 ruling prohibiting prior restraint and allowing NYT to print the top-secret "Pentagon Papers").
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Funny)
IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that putting a notice at the bottom of a message creates a legally binding contract.
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IANAL, but I'm pretty sure that putting a notice at the bottom of a message creates a legally binding contract.
And while I'm sure most courts would agree with you, does that contract become void if sent to an incorrect party?
If a lawyer is upset at a ruling and leaks a confidential document to a newspaper intentionally, no amount of confidentiality disclaimers intended for the document's original target attached to the bottom of the document will stop the newspaper from running it.
I think the end point is that you can't force confidentiality on an unsuspecting party simply by sending them a piece of paper th
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And how would the courts rule if the unintended recipient claimed to have only read the first two paragraphs? That might be all they need to get the crucial info, but how could they be held to a contract they never actually saw?
Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Insightful)
If someone emails me something and then whines about what I do with it, perhaps they should have come to me first and said "I'm sending you (x), but if I do, will you not do (y) with it?" and then only sent it after I agreed? THAT would be enforceable.
The lawyer is SOL.
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Informative)
Also, since settlement information is excluded from evidence when trying to prove culpability, and never reaches the finder of fact in a court case anyway, this whole story is pretty pointless. While the leak may have a modest effect on stock prices, the fact that Eli Lilly attempted to settle and the amount in question couldn't possibly matter less in the case at bar.
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Funny)
"Ah ahm a lahyah"
and a southern gentleman too.
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That's right, it really, truly doesn't matter. (Score:4, Informative)
Yes, that's right, it absolutely won't have an effect on negotiations. That was the point of the post, to assure you that as a matter of law, their bargaining position hasn't been compromised at all because the settlement information can't come in at trial anyway (and the strength of each side's case are the bargaining chips in negotiations, not some dollar amount that the press accidentally found out.) Generally, any information obtained during negotiations, or even in this case--the incredibly boring revelation that negotiations took place--cannot come in as evidence at trial. This is an well-known evidentiary rule, and the point of it is that there is a strong public policy concern for encouraging settlements between parties, so as to not needlessly burden the judicial system. And the best way to encourage settlements is to make sure that the parties can be as candid with each other during negotiations as possible without having to worry that what they say can be used against them at trial. Both parties are free to continue negotiating. No harm, no foul.
That's why the information revealed in this leak doesn't matter, and why the focus of the story is on the far more interesting [i]way[/i] it was leaked. The prosecution cannot utter a word about this at trial, regardless of what the press knows or doesn't know. Eli Lilly is still in great shape, they just might want to consider getting different counsel! Was this an embarrassing screwup by the lawyer? Absolutely. Will it have any kind of extrinsic effect, like causing a dip in stock prices? [i]Maybe[/i]. But will it matter in a potential trial, and therefore prove damaging to Lilly's position during during negotiations? Absolutely not.
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:4, Insightful)
My current peeve in this area is my cellphone directory. Every entry is in the same huge list, which means I have to thumb carefully past people I definitely *don't* want to call by accident (but still need to have in my book). The lame workaround is to use an alphabetic prefix to move important people to the top of the list, take-out restaurants to the bottom, etc. Is this really the 21st century?
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Interesting)
Hi Peter (not my name),
The amount for the chemistry building work is now confirmed as £85,000,000.00 exactly -- I've left a cheque on your desk, could you sign it please?
Cheers, Dave
Turns out that my relatively unusual surname is shared with the finance director at my university. For about a month I got a few of his emails, I assume because my first name is earlier in the alphabet.
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Interesting)
I got a bounced mail from somebody at ibm. Every other address on the line was to "watson.ibm.com". Just not this one.
Long story short after about five of these over a few months I finally got a thing about secret nucular testing. I called them and explained what they did.
Never saw another one, ever.
I'm guessing somebody didn't get their xmas bonus that year.
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Funny)
[Me autodialling]
Callee: Hello?
Me: Hey baby, it's Thursday. I've got the Tantric oil, buttplug, and Fischer-Price chainsaw ready. When are you heading over?
Callee: Ummm... How's your week going?
Me: Mom?
Every Thursday, like clockwork...
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:5, Funny)
[Me autodialling]
Callee: Hello?
Me: Hey baby, it's Thursday. I've got the Tantric oil, buttplug, and Fischer-Price chainsaw ready. When are you heading over?
Callee: Ummm... How's your week going?
Me: Mom?
Every Thursday, like clockwork...
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Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:4, Insightful)
I routinely send emails to a member of my team named David. At some point a few months ago I emailed another person named David. Guess which one Outlook always autocompletes to, forcing me to arrow down to pick the correct one? I've sent a couple of (innocuous) emails to the other David when I forgot about this 'feature'.
You'd think any sensible autocomplete feature would remember your last selection for the same string, or at least make the default choice the most recently emailed match.
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If you're routinely dealing with communications that are sensitive, then you should be typing the full address in every time
Whole new use for Typosquatting.
Suddenly sjobs@aple.com, wbuffet@berksirehatheway.com, michael_dell@dall.com etc, etc, might have some additional value.
Or use lists that have been verified to be correct.
And how do you propose that? Run a completely separate mail identity for each case he works on, each with its own ca
Re:auto-complete is at fault? (Score:4, Interesting)
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***Legal Notice*** and I mean it. (Score:5, Funny)
You are legally binded from reading, forwarding, printing, copying, remembering, discussing or in any other way acknowledging this post.
I am planning on robbing the bank on Fifth and Elm. Do not alert the police. Meet me at the warehouse after.
captcha:overlook
New feature! Auto-complete your career! (Score:5, Funny)
This happens to me all the time! (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know what Eli Lilly's lawyers charge (Score:5, Insightful)
It's funny, you know ... (Score:5, Insightful)
Huh. I'll bet they will now.
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If the lawyer had been encrypting his messages, his email would
Re:I advised my attorney to encrypt (Score:4, Insightful)
In the opinion of several lawyer friends I've asked about this one, that's wrong, too. Oh, and I mean factually, not ethically. It sounds like there is at least some credibility in some jurisdictions if you have a notice *before* the rest of the content, but all these corporate types appending legalese essays to the end of every outgoing message are just jumping on a bandwagon with no wheels.
No, I'm not going to tell you who my lawyer friends are or the jurisdictions in which they practise. Yes, if you take anything you read on Slashdot as legal advice, you're a fool. No, I am not a lawyer myself.
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Very Nasty Stuff (Score:5, Interesting)
I was on this terrible crap for a while...after 2 weeks I had gained 15 pounds (not exaggerating).
I remember finding myself on the candy Isle at the supermarket shoveling 12-packs of twix, snickers, and all kinds of other candy into my shopping cart...and I usually don't eat sweets.
These 'medications' are really horrible...it's sad that so many people believe schizophrenia is easily treated with them. Big pharma marketdroids are mostly to blame. In fact, after 6 months, 80% of the people on these medications quit (I suspect the other 20% are forced to take it by hospital staff)...they actually prefer being crazy (unable to work, take care of themselves, go to public places, etc.) rather than take them...the side-effects are that bad.
Re:Very Nasty Stuff (Score:5, Informative)
The best example is the insane amount of kids with an ADD diagnostic... sure, there ARE people who are truly chemically imbalanced and such, and need treatments of some kind...I really feel for these people. The rest just need some discipline stuck in their head. As far as I know (and I know quite a few people in the field), most people getting these prescriptions don't even pass a fraction of the tests that would be required to make a proper diagnostic. The psychiatrist just go by "guts feeling".
And then you end up on mind control medication.... You're "better", but you're not "you" anymore... Some treatments are required... some mental illness CAN be treated... but in general, whats available right now is just a big cash cow, not treatments.
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Re:Very Nasty Stuff (Score:5, Interesting)
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Um, no. (Score:5, Insightful)
As I tried to explain to one of the Three Letter Acronyms of our company this morning, "Auto-Complete" is not to blame. "Not Paying Attention" is to blame. If you can't be bothered to look at who you are sending stuff like this to, then please step back from the computer and have someone else handle complicated things like email for you.
Surely if you are doing billion dollar deals then you can afford to hire someone capable of working a keyboard without embarrassing him or herself.
Re:Um, no. (Score:4, Insightful)
Agreed.
"Not Paying Attention" is to blame.
Yes, but mistakes happen. You can't just tell people 'pay more attention' and expect that to solve all problems.
If you can't be bothered to look at who you are sending stuff like this to, then please step back from the computer and have someone else handle complicated things like email for you.
Surely if you are doing billion dollar deals then you can afford to hire someone capable of working a keyboard without embarrassing him or herself.
The sarcasm was unwarranted, but the idea is right. If you are dealing with really sensitive material, it should be vetted by a 2nd set of eyes before its released.
And in any case it holds it in the outbox for 5 minutes before actually sending, so if you have one of those... "push send... oh shit"... moments you can still stop it from being sent.
And maybe something can be done at the software level, like a custom email client that requires you enter a passphrase that encrypts the email . The software won't send without a passphrase, and the recipient must know the passphrase to open the email. Each case file would have its own passphrase, and the case file is included in the message. So if the email reached the wrong recipient they wouldn't know the passphrase and couldn't read the message.
You could speed the process up by maintaining a dictionary of cases and passphrases, and let the recipients automatically open any email in the passphrase dictionary, and rather then enter a passphrase have them enter a case number. So, anyone involved with the case would have to add the passphrase-case number pair to their dictionary just once.
Its not bullet proof... I'm sure better solutions exist. but it would be more effective at dealing with this sort of mistake than either 'typing in the address each time', or 'yelling pay more attention' at people.
You'd use a separate email program entirely for casual non-sensitive communication with your family, friends, reporters, your chauffer, dog groomer, and staples representative...
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Pardon the pedantry...misleading headline (Score:5, Informative)
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Why was the address there? (Score:5, Interesting)
Why was the reporter's email address already in the lawyer's address book? They should check his mail logs and see what else he send to that person before.
Tell Me About It (Score:5, Funny)
Signed,
Pritchard Cheney
I take ten milligrams of Zyprexa every day (Score:5, Informative)
But schizoaffective disorder is a devastating illness: it's just like being manic-depressive and schizophrenic at the same time. The risperdal I took previously for my psychotic symptoms wasn't working anymore. From 2003 through 2007, I was in the emergency room five times for psychiatric reasons, culminating in an ambulance ride to the mental ward, where I stayed for three weeks.
The Zyprexa completely eliminates the paranoia and visual hallucinations I would otherwise have almost all the time. It also brought me down from the bipolar mania that led to my ambulance ride, and prevents me from getting manic anymore.
As a result of taking it, I am able to hold a steady job - and a good one - as a software engineer, to provide for my wife and to pay her University tuition.
I've heard rumours that Zyprexa might be withdrawn from the market. I really hope that doesn't happen, as I've never had a medicine work so well.
Happened to me once... (Score:5, Interesting)
Except he misspelled his own email address, and the images started coming to me, a complete stranger.
I stitched all the shots together into this time-lapsed movie:
http://knodi.com/images/floral_park/time_lapse.gif [knodi.com]
I had this happen with a university address, lots (Score:5, Funny)
We both maintained a pretty good sense of humor about it, though. These were typical, with the vile language excised:
FWD: You fascist
FWD: I want to
RE: FWD: I want to
RE: RE: FWD: I want to
RE: RE: RE: FWD: I want to
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Pine? HA! (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:The best part is, (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:The best part is, (Score:5, Insightful)
That pretty much assumes that the encryption is done out of band. Personally, most usable variants of email encryption are handled by the client itself (at least as an initiant). At some point, when you select "Jim Smith" as the intended recipient, you have to expect that it will be delivered to "Jim Smith" in a format that he can open, regardless of any interim encryption. This might involve encoding it with his public key, but that wouldn't help the fact that you meant to send it to "Jan Smythe" now would it?
Any more intrusive method just wouldn't be used in the real world, since the hugely vast majority of all emails are actually intended to be read by the person that the author listed in the "To:" field. Any kind of catch-all solution smacks of vistaNag.
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Re:WARNING: GNAA (Score:4, Informative)
Little hint, Sir B, you might want to vary your "WARNING: GNAA" headline every once in a while, just for variety.
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Re:WARNING: GNAA (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:WARNING: GNAA (Score:4, Insightful)
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