Best Motherboards With Large RAM Capacity? 161
cortex writes "I routinely need to analyze large datasets (principally using Matlab). I recently 'upgraded' to 64-bit Vista so that I can access larger amounts of RAM. I know that various Linux distros have had 64-bit support for years. I also typically use Intel motherboards for their reliability, but currently Intel's desktop motherboards only support 8GB of RAM and their server motherboards are too expensive. Can anyone relate their experiences with working with Vista or Linux machines running with large RAM (>8GB)? What is the best motherboard (Intel or AMD) and OS combination for workstation applications in terms of cost and reliability?"
Tyan? (Score:3, Informative)
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The other thing to do is to abandon Windows. Matlab behaves considerably better on Linux or Solaris than on Windows (especially on big data sets). Most Matlab users I know have long stopped trying to run it on Microsoft platforms. They are simply not fit for purpose. AFAIK Vista is no exemption. So if you really make a living off matlab you should move your other windows stuff onto a cheap and cheerfull small PC and switch the matlab monster to a "proper" OS. That is the way I have maintained it for my matlab users in the past and they have been happy with the arrangement.
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If you're a free software advocate, you could blame this on the mathworks for not providing the source to Matlab so that it can be endlessly tweaked and rebuilt to keep up with FOSS development.
If you've got any common sense, you can blame this on OSS developer
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glibc 2.3 has been around since 2001 (at least... that is the date it entered Debian unstable. It may have been released earlier).
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Actually it's been several years since I worked there, but I agree: a good vendor ought to support their software. If the stories I've heard are true, the people working in the lab after I left did try to get the vendor to responsibly support the software, but the vendor refused. The vendor decided to continue with the elitist, "we don't think you're
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2. I have maintained matlab working in a Debian environment for 6 years in my previous job (along with plenty of other stuff) and never ever seen what you are describing. In fact the system started as linuxthreads (2.4) and moved to NPTL later (2.6).
3. As far as open source and so on, MatLab is extremely well behaved for something that is closed source has such a nasty licens
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Things get deprecated in all manner of environments that coders have to deal with. Linux may be more annoying in this regard but it's hardly unique.
Nothing really forces you to alter a Linux installation once it's been deployed. Running a 5 or 8 year old copy of Linux doesn't quite have the same problems as doing the same for Windows. You can do the same with MacOS or Solaris too (safe
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....The other thing to do is to abandon Windows. Matlab behaves considerably better on Linux or Solaris than on Windows (especially on big data sets). Most Matlab users I know have long stopped trying to run it on Microsoft platforms. They are simply not fit for purpose. AFAIK Vista is no exemption. So if you really make a living off matlab you should move your other windows stuff onto a cheap and cheerfull small PC and switch the matlab monster to a "proper" OS. That is the way I have maintained it for my matlab users in the past and they have been happy with the arrangement.
I been craming quite a bit of ram in my Sunblade, the thing to remember is only a fool buys their Sun memory from SUN or a vendor, ebay has tons of it cheap at prices comparable to OEM PC memory prices.
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I got an Athlon MP board a while ago. As far as I can remember, it was EATX and fit into a regular old case. There wasn't a lot of space left, but it did fit. If I'm not mixing things up, EATX have the same mounting holes, and the extra board area just flows into normally unused areas of the case.
The listed size is deceiving - I am prepared to be wrong, but I urge you to check again.
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There are quite a few big boards around now which are ATX with extra bits sticking out from the lower part to go behind/under drive bays, where there is space to spare in a typical case.
For AMD's more modern Opteron line, there are ATX and EATX boards available, and the difference tends to be that the ATX ones don't have a full set of ram slots attached to both cpu sockets. Some have no ram slots at all for one cpu. The
Tyan (Score:5, Informative)
Now I am curious about one thing you said about Intel mobos:
I run a Tyan Thunder with two Opteron 270's (and 4GB of RAM) as my primary workstation, and I have never been happier. I can honestly say that this is the last workstation I will buy until it dies, I no longer need to worry about "but my computer can't run X".
With the memory sizes and data sets that you are talking about I wouldn't consider anything other then AMD CPU's. The bandwidth that the CPU and memory are shared on Intel boards, and each AMD cpu has a dedicated memory controller and dedicated RAM slots.
You posted this on
Go with AMD, you won't be disappointed.
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These boards aren't cheap, though; here in the UK you're looking at ~£250, which looks to be about the same as Xeon motherboards. You have specialist needs, suck it up.
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Re:Tyan (Score:5, Informative)
I jumped on the dual-processor bandwagon pretty much the instant that commodity CPUs officially supported it. Namely, the Athlon MP. I got a Tyan Tiger motherboard and a friend did the same. Shortly thereafter I lost contact with that friend.
A few years later I went to turn on my computer as usual and it wouldn't turn on. A bit of troubleshooting later and I realized that the PSU connector had burned itself into the motherboard power socket because something on the motherboard had randomly decided to short itself. Four of the pins had fried (in a distinctive pattern, see here [nyud.net] and here [nyud.net]) and I ended up buying a new motherboard from a different manufacturer and a new power supply (thankfully, the other components had survived fine.)
About a year after that I ran into my friend. We were talking about upgrades and I dug out those pictures. Turned out he'd lost three Tyan Tiger motherboards, with the exact same burn pattern, before changing manufacturers.
So, yeah, I'm not touching Tyan again. I've never actually had a computer component burn itself to death before, and one time was enough.
Re:Tyan (Score:4, Interesting)
What make/model of PSU were you using? Looks to me that the PSU's power connector couldn't cope with the current the board was pulling. Of course, that may or may not be down to a fault on the board, but seeing as you haven't told us anything about the PSU, I'm betting you were using a cheapo one that came with the case you were using.
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Well, obviously. The issue is why was the board drawing such an abormally large current through it in the first place.
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Remember that it was working fine for years, and remember that the pins were actually [i]burnt[/i] - it's hard for an inadequate PSU to burn pins on the mobo if the mobo itself isn't helping quite a lot.
Re:Tyan (Score:5, Interesting)
I just went through the same thing in late October.I built the system in June, 2002. Had a problem with the initial power supply (Antec 430W) that came in my case not being big enough and I was getting random lockups. Switched to another power supply and everything was fine for years. I went away for a weekend and sshed in to read my email. On my way home, a friend called me and noticed that I wasn't logged onto AIM. Hmm, ssh was still up. I must have gotten disconnected and it didn't full reconnect right (gaim likes to do that from time to time).
So I get home and notice that my computer had rebooted rather than having a simple AIM disconnect. Odd, but whatever. A week goes by and no problems. I attribute it to a freak power problem since I notice my UPS battery isn't holding a charge. Suddenly, my computer reboots in the middle of playing nethack. Ok, that was weird. Power failure is set to turn the computer off, not reboot. Computer hangs before LILO runs. I reset it and it hangs at LILO again. Odd. So I take the side of the case off to make sure the CPU/GPU fans are spinning. No problems. I let it sit for a few minutes. Turn it on and everything is fine again.
I grumble about losing my nethack game and start anew. I get about 5 minutes in and my computer reboots again. This time, LILO starts loading Linux and the computer reboots before the image is uncompressed. It does the same thing again. I start smelling that aroma of burning electric and plastic. Ok, it's too late to deal with this. I power off for the night and decide to come back in the morning.
Same problem in the morning, as soon as the computer gets warm, it starts rebooting. Electrical smell is getting heavier. I start taking PCI cards and drives out to make sure they aren't causing a problem. I swap in a known working video card and that's the only thing connected to the motherboard. Same problem. Ok, maybe the power supply is flaking out. I go to disconnect it from the motherboard and it was stuck pretty good. Bad enough that I had to get out some pliers and really start yanking.
Exact same pattern as you, all the red (5V) connectors are burned out. Fearing the worst, I ordered parts for a new computer. Later that night, I decided to see how bad the problem really was. I took a scalpel and small finger drill and cleaned all the melted plastic out of the motherboard connector until I could plug my backup power supply in. Some quick testing showed everything worked, so I reassembled it and used it for a week until my new parts got here.
I think what happened, in my case, is that the UPS batteries went bad (I've since replaced them) and the minor power fluctuations caused something to burn out in the power supply, which in turn, affected the current it was providing. It's worth noting the rating on my power supply says it provides 42A across the 5V wires, so we're talking some significant juice to start with.
That said, it is interesting that we've all had the same failure result.
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I like your diagnosis about the PSU. I'll have to dig out that old PSU (I still have it somewhere because the burnt connector is so awesome) and see if it has bad caps. But yeah, even if it was the PSU, the motherboard definitely contributed somehow - I've posted that picture quite often and the only people who've ever said "Hey, I had the exact same pattern!" were people with S2460s.
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I just cracked open that power supply for fun and the two biggest caps are slightly bulging and 4 of the 5 medium sized caps are almost domed. The small and tiny caps all look fine.
I'm still leaning toward my problem being with the power supply, but there may also be some kind of defect in the boa
Re:Tyan (Score:4, Informative)
Wandering off-topic, but you were kind of late for that bandwagon. Dual processors was supported by the original Pentium, though the Athlon MP might have been the first attempt by AMD to do so.
Re:Tyan (Score:4, Interesting)
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I used it for months with cover off the case and a box fan from home depot pointed at it.
I can't remember why I finally quit using it....
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Oh, yeah, I'd hang out on bp6.com as well. And you of course are right. I was working for a company that manufactured hospital software, working as a 'junior network administrator' (spent most of my day re-installing NT3.5/4.0 on broken/repurposed machines), and yes, we had a
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I have an old Tyan mobo in an AT (not ATX) case, in the garage gathering dust, that has a pair of 133 MHz Pentiums in it, and something like 32 MB of RAM. Yes, dual processors were around for quite a while. Maybe the OP mean "dual core".
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[thinking] 133MHz CPU probably means it's socket 5 and maxed out, but if by some chance it's socket 7, most can take a CPU up to P266 or K6-2/450. RAM probably maxes out at 128mb if it's purely 72pin SIMM, or 256mb if it's got
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I gave the board to a more electrically oriented friend; he cleaned up the socke
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The pics were great. But that can happen with mobos that have a lot of power requirements and the connectors are "cheap" or seat poorly on the mobo pins. For example, the main 5v line might have 40 amps through it. If the surface contact area of the power supply contacts don't have enough surface areas touching the mobo contacts, it can and will overheat. That is the quality of the power supply connector and it's seating into the motherboard likely had a lot to do with this. But it is also why they wen
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I use Tyan boards by preference, and they've been nothing but stable and long-lived for me. My oldest is over 10 years old now, and I have two in 27/7 use that are now past 8 yrs. You're soaking in one of 'em.
Dual CPU (Score:2)
Actually, I got a Tyan a while earlier (~1995) that supported dual Pentiums. That board ruled. Tyan kicks arse.
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Besides one with the cap proble
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-matt
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I doubt the need for that much ram. (Score:4, Interesting)
Consider swapping to and from a flash device or a series of flash devices. That will get you better latency over a spindle. If you want bandwidth though, you'll need to go with a hard drive. I find it very unlikely even with matlab (bloated as it is) that you honestly will improve performance considerably with >8GB of physical memory... Then again, I have no idea how good Vista is at swapping these days. But they talked about ReadyBoost and all that, so I assume it doesn't suck at it completely.
If you really are worried about I/O performance, you should consider getting multiple chips (and cores, but mostly multiple chips) so you have more L1/L2 cache available to access. Though this assumes your applications are somewhat parallelizable...
Generally this question is a lot more complex than simply assuming throwing more ram in the box is going to be the best use of your money.
Battleship (Score:4, Informative)
>Consider swapping to and from a flash device or a series of flash devices.
Good performance [nextlevelhardware.com]. Gets expensive though. $7000 for nine Mtron 16GB Solid State Drives alone, then you need very high end RAID cards to cope with the throughput.
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Re:I doubt the need for that much ram. (Score:5, Insightful)
Some guy comes and asks an honest question. Then people go and tell him that can't be right and then go and give all kinds of suggestions taking into account that he isn't right.
Let's just for a second assume that the OP has a dataset that large. I can easily imagine it:
- complicated physics model
- computational biology problem
- datamining
and any one of a thousand other not so trivial computational problems.
If his 'luck' is the problem is not trivially parallelizable (I hope that's spelled right) then he's got two choices:
1) try to set up some kind of pipeline
2) get a single machine that can handle all the data
Apparently he has chosen for door #2 because that seems to be just about feasible.
There are some top of the line dell machines that will hold up to 128G of ram, the R900 series.
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As a SOHO user, my understanding is that random bit flips while writing data can cause major problems
Re:I doubt the need for that much ram. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:I doubt the need for that much ram. (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know how many times I've been focused on a problem for a long time, ventured down a solution path, and ended up asking for help for something complicated; only to have that guy ask me what I was thinking. When I explained the problem, it turns out I had missed something that drastically reduced it.
Sort of like the ol' America space pen vs. Russian Pencil story.
In other words, he was getting at the underlying concern, not the question asked. (think "Do I look fat?"... that's really not what they're asking)
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Which is a myth [snopes.com]. Do you have any more pearls of wisdom?
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The moral of the story was the point.
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Sometimes a good quality product is what you really want. Not everything has to be velveeta.
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I then explained that he might find better performance improvements by addressing other portions of his memory hierarchy first. Just because you seem to assume the only place for improvement is in the expansion of RAM capacity doesn't mean that some people couldn't be better served with faster swap or more L1 instead. If his working set was a terrabyte then it's not likely to fit in any amount of RAM he's got in his budget and his
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As soon as you hit the swap it's game over, suddenly your run of one day can be a run of several weeks or more.
Another option would be to get rid of Matlab and learn how to really program the problem but for many people that a
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I recall doing some calculations using MATLAB, and MATLAB would do it (out of memory errors). When I hand-calculated how big the dataset would be, it turned out it needed around 4.5GB of memory. And given this was 7 years ago and a university-level assignment...
I reduced the dataset (basically, lowered the sampling rate) and managed to do the calculations in a more agreeable 400-500MB dataset. Still excessive, but hey, it worked.
Sometimes it doesn
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Since he doesn't want to buy high end commercial gear I think we can assume this one is the case.
For this increasingly common problem you want a LOT of commodity ram, are there any solutions that provide for this?
As far as performance storage goes isn't the ideal for price/performance a raid 0 of usb hubs and flash disks?
Re:I doubt the need for that much ram. (Score:4, Insightful)
I used to be in that position. Now I run my more interesting software on a 5 node dual opteron cluster (small for a cluster, I know... see that's those budget constraints again), each node has 8G of ram and 3TB storage. Before that it was 10 pentium machines at 600 Ghz (See http://clustercompute.com/ [clustercompute.com] , which has inspired numerous people to build copies) and before that it was 10 pentium 225's (overclocked 200's
You have to love it when people overcome their financial limitations with cleverness, why not give the guy a break and simply help him to solve his problem, starting out from the assumption that his problems and limitations are real.
It would have been nice to have a few more bits of information about the kind of data and the nature of the calculations, I'm pretty sure that 'cheap' is also relative but it seems that cheaper is better for this guy. How many people are at their most brilliant periods in their lives when they're also poor is not easy to figure out but I would not be surprised if it was the majority.
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(I know nothing about beowulf clusters, so use small words
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When doing computer simulations it's really easy to need that much RAM. I currently have 4 GB (2xQuad Xeons on a Tyan motherboard -- To the OP: Get Opterons instead if you can), but could sometimes use much more. Swap is not an options: When the memory hits the swap
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A different algorithm may be needed (Score:2, Insightful)
My thoughts exactly. When doing physics simulations, one often needs to manually optimize the code in order to use the cache correctly, so optimizing the swap shouldn't be such a problem.
Personal computers do not have support for more than 8 GB for a good reason, ther
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However, the problem is that he uses Matlab. Perhaps he could get better performance using Octave [gnu.org] with Atlas [sourceforge.net] optimization, but in the end, only compiling in C with assembly language optimization will guarantee the best results. I have heard from several people that Matlab has problems when the data sets become large.
Well, looking at the price list [mathworks.com], switching to octave should buy him a good deal more hardware, even if the performance is the same :)
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Also many matlab users are in universities, they won't be paying anything like list price for matlab and will probablly have a central pool of matlab licenses that anyone from the university can use.
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Sure there is, if you're using all 8GB over and over in an unpredictable pattern. You can't optimize memory access unless you can predict it. That means insight into the problem and insight into the data, combined with intelligent reorganization of the data, either in preprocessing or at run-time.
Given the information we have, as far as I can see you can only argue against need
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I certainly can suggest it.
I'm not telling the OP that they don't need more ram, I'm simply suggesting that they take a close look and ensure they actually do. Given the way the question has been written, this is the OP's first foray into getting this type of machine and the OP might just want to reconsider their original premise that this is what they need. Then I provided a series of sugg
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Traditional Flash Poor Choice for Swap (Score:2)
Your comment about bandwidth needing to go to a spindle seems strange as well. I have a 4 drive raid-5 flash array here that just tested at >400 MB/sec on reads and >150 MB/sec on random writes
http://managedflash.com/news/papers/07-12-01_mt [managedflash.com]
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But why spend the money on Flash RAM swap, when you can spend the money on more "regular" RAM, thus reducing the need for swap?
IMNSHO, flash RAM swap is the STUPIDEST idea ever in the 55(?) years of commercial computer hardware sales.
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If, on the other hand, you're doing 3D visualization of a 2Kx2Kx2K cube, then you're looking at 8GB per 'picture'. In a case like that, you'd probably want 16-24GB of ram so that you can keep your source, destination and some working data in RAM all at the same time. Once you start working with multi-dimensional information, it's really easy to get into a situation where you've got over 8GB worth of working set.
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This isn't making fun of the questioner, nor even arguing with him.
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But it also might be that he's a fellow like you who simply is after more RAM so he can go on slashdot and talk about how much he loves having a machine with 16GB of ram in it.
I find that the latter is far more likely among the folks that aren't willing to purchase a server board when they're buying a new system...
Chipsets (Score:5, Insightful)
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What I meant to say there was Intel is ahead for music stuff right now. Last time I went with AMD (X2 4400+), but this time it looks like it will be an Intel (Q6600 probably).
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So, with Xeon you can have performanc
What's "music stuff" (Score:2)
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Audio recording (Score:2)
Ooo, music person!
You seem to be into audio recording. I'd like to build a computer for that purpose. Do you have any links (or direct information) about what I should keep in mind when I choose my components? I would really appreciate that!
(I intend to use Linux, if that makes any difference.)
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Don't expect to find very much about Linux though.
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A dual cpu dual quad or dual dual-core system with 2 to 4 gb per cpu will cost less + you can get a board with the nforce pro chip set.
up to 32 GB DDR2 667/533/400 ECC ram + on board sas hardware raid also High-End PCI-e Graphics (SLI Supported)
http://www.supermicro.com/Aplus/motherboard/Opteron2000/MCP55/H8DA3-2.cfm [supermicro.com]
or this one
http://tyan.com/product_board_detail.aspx?pid=541 [tyan.com]
Best motherboards for 64-bit and large memory (Score:4, Interesting)
Server/workstation motherboards are the best solution at this time to go beyond this. Most people are only running 32-bit software, with 1-3 GB of ram, so it's not a problem for them.
Currently at work, I use a Tyan Tempest i5000XT (S2696) motherboard, with dual quad-core Intel Xeon cpu's, and 8 GB of ram. I will expand to 16 GB in 2008. This board can upgrade to 32 GB of ram, with 4 GB Dimms, which should be available sometime in the future.
I dual boot with 64-bit Fedora 8 Linux, and 64-bit Windows Vista Ultimate. I run Fedora 8 for all my productive work, and use VMWare with different versions of Linux and Windows, for testing and standard Windows work. I dual boot into 64-bit Vista Ultimate when I need Windows with direct hardware support for some multimedia apps and gaming. 64-bit Vista Ultimate seems a lot more compatible with current apps than 64-bit Windows XP Pro.
For my next home computer, I will choose a similar, but different Tyan Server/workstation motherboard.
The Tyan Tempest i5400PW (S5397) is also a dual socketed motherboard for dual quad-core Xeon cpus.
It has 16 memory sockets and can be expanded up to 128 GB of ram, with future dimms of 8 GB each.
I believe this is the best long-term solution for those that really need a lot of ram, at a reasonable price.
Even with just reasonable priced 2 GB dimms, it can hold 32 GB ram, which is a lot, even for large 64-bit apps.
While $450 for these motherboards is fairly expensive, they provide a lot of value, and good quality desktop motherboards cost $150-400, so it's not really that much more.
Your AMD Options (Score:5, Informative)
All current socket AM2/AM2+ AMD processors (Opteron 1000 series, Phenom, Athlon X2, etc) support a maximum of four unbuffered DDR2 memory sticks. All current socket F AMD processors (Opteron 8000 and 2000 series) support a maximum of eight registered DDR2 memory sticks. (You can find this info in AMD's public datasheets [amd.com]).
As of today, unbuffered and registered DDR2 memory sticks of 4 GB or more are extremely expensive because the technology cannot be inexpensively mass-produced (yet). Only 2-GB DDR2 sticks can be found at reasonable prices.
For these financial and technical reasons, your are restricted to a total of 8 GB per socket AM2/AM2+ processor, or 16 GB per socket F processor. Therefore the cheapest option for an AMD mobo supporting more than 8 GB of memory is to buy a single socket F model. Newegg sells one for $136 [newegg.com] (open box, though). Add a $180 Opteron 2212 [newegg.com] processor, $240 for eight 2-GB sticks [newegg.com] of registered DDR2-667, and you end up spending only $556 for a dual-core 2.0 GHz 16 GB barebone server assuming you have a chassis and a PSU lying around.
I'll leave other people comment on your Intel options. I am not very familiar with Intel server motherboards.
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Implement a workaround [freebsd.org] of the datacorruption problem on serverworks HT1000 chipsets.
The HT1000 DMA engine seems to not always like 64K transfers and sometimes barfs data all over memory leading to instant chrash and burn.
Somewhere there's a QA team which needs to be set on fire.
Intel 5100 chipset, Tyan, and Supermicro (Score:2)
I also typically use Intel motherboards for their reliability, but currently Intel's desktop motherboards only support 8GB of RAM and their server motherboards are too expensive.
Intel recently released their 5100 chipset [intel.com] for "value" 2-socket Xeon servers, which can use up to 32GB of "standard" DDR2 (not FB-DIMMs). Unfortunately, they haven't released an Intel-branded motherboard based on this chipset.
Tyan and Supermicro, which both focus on the server/workstation market, are the only motherboard makers I've heard about releasing motherboards based on the 5100 chipset. If you trust the Intel brand for reliability, then I think this Intel chipset on a Tyan or Supermicro motherboar
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I think a motherboard with 16 slots would be a better choice.
Server boards are cheaper than you think (Score:2)
Apple Mac Pro or XServe? (Score:4, Interesting)
Mac Pro Specs [apple.com]
XServe Specs [apple.com]
XServe is a quad-core XEON 64bit at 3GHz as is the Mac Pro
They will both run Matlab w/ stunning execution.
Here's a nice case study for the XServe w/ Matlab: Induquímica Laboratorios [apple.com]
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The mac pro is much cheaper than the xserver for basically the same hardware and probablly quieter too. Unless space is at a premium it see
Tyan (Tiger S5197G2NR) (Score:2)
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