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Researchers Expose New Credit Card Fraud Risk
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kdawson
on Thu Feb 28, 2008 04:01 PM
from the tamper-proof-isn't dept.
from the tamper-proof-isn't dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Researchers from the University of Cambridge have discovered flaws in the card payment systems used by millions of customers worldwide. Ross Anderson, Saar Drimer, and Steven Murdoch demonstrated how a simple paper clip can be used to capture account numbers and PINs from so-called 'tamper-proof' equipment. In their paper (PDF), they warn how with a little technical skill and off-the-shelf electronics, fraudsters could empty customers' accounts. British television featured a demonstration of the attack on BBC Newsnight."
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Get rid of the damn things! (Score:4, Interesting)
The powers that be LOVE us using credit cards. They can track us, and they can dupe the feeble-minded among us into spending our way into a lifetime of indentured servitude.
The failure of our government to (re-)introduce a $1000 bill, in spite of massive inflation, is a deliberate scheme to make it impractical for us to use untraceable funds for any substantial purchase. And it has nothing to do with tracking terrorists or drug money, it's just to keep tabs on and control over the law abiding populous.
Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Most will for large-ticket items (Score:4, Insightful)
It boils down to risk:
Most people passing funny money will want to get change rather than goods they can only resell at diminished value.
Also, many merchants use basic anti-counterfeit measures when accepting $20s and higher. Granted these measures have a high miss rate but they do catch amateurs.
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Re:Most will for large-ticket items (Score:5, Funny)
The cheek of it- my $50 bills are as good as anyone else's! As was the $3 bill...
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Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:5, Informative)
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_tender [wikipedia.org].
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Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:5, Insightful)
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These boxes can be made to make this attack nearly impossible.
But it would cost another 5 bucks to manufacture it.
Hell, if the designed them so the case was steel, and as thin as an iPhone this problem goes away because:
a) it would take serious effort even AFTER you knew what to do. Raises the risk.
b) You couldn't attach something to it without it being noticed.
As far as the software goes, encrypt the data.
Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:5, Informative)
It's like entering your credit card information on a website for a purchase. The connection to the server may be encrypted, but the data sent from your keyboard to your pc is not, and this is the same as where the hack with the card readers/pads is occurring.
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Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:4, Interesting)
Wow you guys really do have it bad.
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Re:Get rid of the damn things! (Score:4, Insightful)
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he failure of our government to (re-)introduce a $1000 bill, in spite of massive inflation, is a deliberate scheme to make it impractical for us to use untraceable funds for any substantial purchase. And it has nothing to do with tracking terrorists or drug money, it's just to keep tabs on and control over the law abiding populous.
It might also have something to do with the fact that most people aren't crazy enough to walk around with thousands of dollars on them. In the end, it wouldn't matter, because
Is anyone here really surprised? (Score:5, Insightful)
First rule of security in my book: Someone who wants something bad enough, they will be able to circumvent nearly anything in order to get it. So its a matter of how badly they want it. Since its money in question, I'd say that a variety of organizations and people want it pretty bad.
Re:Is anyone here really surprised? (Score:5, Informative)
This reminds me of a quote (the source eludes me at the moment):
"If it can be engineered by one human, it can be reverse-engineered by another human."
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Re:Is anyone here really surprised? (Score:4, Interesting)
I think it is only a matter of time before this gets transferred to shop terminals - if you need to bring something and remember something, then it makes life a lot harder for hackers.
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Damn you Clippy! (Score:5, Funny)
You bastards shouldn't have insisted he be fired! (Score:2)
In related news, the alternate Clippy, the advice dog, lost his job as a neuticles model and was sold to a company that tests military grade blood-clotting bandages. He's shot in the abdomen three days a week so trainees can learn how to apply the dressings. And all because you didn't want a friendly little animated help-mate watching after you.
You bastards.
I can build an atomic weapon with a paper clip (Score:5, Insightful)
OK, a paper clip. PLUS A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF.
Well, shoot, I could probably build an atomic weapon with a paper clip. PLUS A BUNCH OF OTHER STUFF.
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For those of you who haven't actually read the article (it is not unheard of!):
They use it to peel through a hole in the back of a owner-accessible compartment for some rarely used extra modules to insert it into an open via in the pcb which just happens to carry a serial data line transmitting PIN and card details...
You could even nicely mount your eavesdropper circuit in that compartment.
This is quite startling IMO, as the de
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I never should have said yes...
They're looking in the wrong place (Score:5, Insightful)
People will gladly give their credit card number over the phone to a shady pizza shop, just to get a 15 dollar pizza delivered to their door.
We could build the most secure credit card system in the world, but the problem is that it has to be simple enough for idiots to use.
Re:They're looking in the wrong place (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:They're looking in the wrong place (Score:5, Funny)
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Paper clip? (Score:5, Funny)
Hmm, Macgyver must have tipped them off.
Tapping (Score:2)
This is a UK/Europe card system issue... (Score:5, Informative)
Why isn't it a PIN = SecurID + PIN (Score:4, Insightful)
(offtopic)
My biggest pet peeve is why are account numbers (on checks) in the clear while the same is basically true of PIN numbers (without any added "salt")
For checks I would like to see the account number + check number translated a 16 to 20 digit hash of which only the bank knows how to decipher to the correct account and check number?
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Tough Interview (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Tough Interview (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Tough Interview (Score:4, Informative)
It is one of the finest pieces of political TV ever.
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Re:Tough Interview (Score:5, Interesting)
Short, correct and difficult to answer questions. Ask the right questions, that's all it takes.
Bravo BBC
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Jail Time? (Score:3, Insightful)
MacGyver (Score:2, Funny)
What not to do (Score:2)
And here's a link of exactly what you should NEVER do because it is illegal!
(posts to internet site frequented by absolutely everyone)
Clippy? Is that you? (Score:3, Funny)
Another hole in the sieve? (Score:3, Insightful)
This is just one more flaw.
Re:Another hole in the sieve? (Score:4, Informative)
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Where's the crypto? (Score:5, Interesting)
Where's my private/public cryptography? I want to carry around my own damned device with keypad and display. The display would show me *exactly* what my financial institution will think I'm authorizing, and the keypad would be used to enter the passphrase to decrypt my private key, which is never ever ever transferred outside of the devices local filesystem. It's generated by the device and the public portion uploaded in a secure manner to my financial institution. The secure manner is a complicated issue, but there are degrees of inconvenience that can be induced to do it right, and allow me to opt to allow nothing more convenient than that.
I go to a damn store or online retailer.. When ready to purchase, it somehow gets the data to my device (maybe encrypt with my public key, maybe direct connect to my device, maybe through the financial institution, whatever, the security risk in this transaction being the nature of what I'm buying, not in any way risking the actual money being transfered). I enter my passphrase (which could be as simplistic as a 4-digit pin, but at my discretion, not theirs) to signify accepting the terms my display gives me (i.e. authorized wal-mart to take 5 dollars from my account this one time, or authorize phone company to withdraw no more than 25 dollars on a monthly basis, the transaction may have tolerances and periodic, but always show me the tolerances and period and *who* I'm really authorizing to get the mony). With my private key decrypted, use it to sign the payload, then my financial institution *must* receive that cryptographically signed authorization to transfer payment. The retailer *never* has anything more than data to confirm that one transaction (or reuse for repeat data if I declare that trust, within definable thresholds). To commit 'identity theft' (horrible phrase), they would either need to compromise the financial institutions database with *write* access to replace my public key with their own (by the way, invalidating my real key so I should notice it) or steal my device physically, which I should know. The device should overwrite memory contents where the key was with random bytes every time it completes an authorization, and therefore physical theft or tampering should lead to a dead end without my passphrase.
Re:Where's the crypto? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Keypad on the card (Score:5, Interesting)
OK: this would make the cards somewhat bulky and since people tend to have several cards their pockets would bulge. So why not allow people to buy their own small keypads (which they trust to not have been tampered with) that they can plug their cards into and plug the whole lot into the retailer's machine.
Banks and Security (Score:3, Informative)
banks should be liable (Score:5, Insightful)