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Police swoop on 'Hacker of the Year'
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CmdrTaco
on Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:00 AM
from the according-to-who-exactly dept.
from the according-to-who-exactly dept.
AcidAUS writes "The Swedish hacker, Dan Egerstad, who perpetrated the so-called hack of the year, has been arrested in a dramatic raid on his apartment, during which he was taken in for questioning and several of his computers confiscated. Egerstad broke into the global communications network used by embassies around the world in August and gained access to 1000 sensitive email accounts."
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"Broke in?" (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought he just listened in on Tor traffic.
Re:"Broke in?" (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:"Broke in?" (Score:5, Funny)
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Well, that's what you get (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well, that's what you get (Score:5, Insightful)
If you notice a security flaw and are quiet about it nothing happens.
If you notice a securoty flaw and report it you get charged for hacking.
Guess what happens in future...
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Re:Well, that's what you get (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Well, that's what you get (Score:5, Insightful)
Another train of thought follows the logic that what is forbidden does not exist. And if it exists, simply crack down with utmost force on it, and it ceases to exist.
The core fallacy about it is that this doesn't mean crimes don't happen, it just means you won't hear about them. Which is, for the statistic, identical. It's a bit like closing your eyes and pretending that since you can't see the problem it doesn't exist.
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LALALALALA I can't hear you!
Re:Well, that's what you get (Score:4, Insightful)
No more than anybody else's... listen, the guy just exposed a major security flaw that has an impact on diplomatic communications all over the world. On the one hand, the guy's doing a job no one else thought to do, and to let governments know that their secrets are easily tapped. Governments should be funding his work, to see if he can come up with a solution to the problem. But being governments, they're a bit paranoid (even the Swedes) and heavy-handed. This guys knows about a security vulnerability -- what else does he know? So they drag him in and give him the "treatment".
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Re:Well, that's what you get (Score:5, Funny)
Remember the Air Force Axiom; when the only tool you have is a multi-warhead thermo-nuclear ICBM, all your problems look like the Soviets invading West Germany.
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Re:Well, that's what you get (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:Well, that's what you get (Score:5, Funny)
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I have a prediction about this guy... what's going to happen in about 5-10 years, is he will end up writing articles like other hacker sellouts that we know.
Re:Well, that's what you get (Score:5, Interesting)
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That's why people just assume Crackers are Hackers... Crackers talk, Hackers know better...
It was just tor eavesdropping! (Score:5, Insightful)
MOD PARENT UP (Score:2)
Re:It was just tor eavesdropping! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Maybe it would be better to argue that
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Had he only claimed to have the login credentials, it might not seem so bad, but he has made his point in spectacular fashion. The r
I don't know why is he surprised (Score:3, Insightful)
He is lucky not to be in russia or china or cold war US so he got no bullet in his head.
Access credentials were sent through his node! (Score:5, Informative)
He acquired access credentials to 1000 email accounts used by embassies. He did so by becoming an exit node of the TOR anonymizing network and reading the unencrypted exit traffic. That may have been in violation of the law, but does not constitute "breaking into the global communications network used by embassies".
What a moron! (Score:5, Insightful)
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You get pulled in by the police, if you're really not guilty, the only smart thing to do is cooperate.
I disagree with that. Get an independent lawyer FIRST! They could be just looking for a goat, and you were fingered. Police generally know so little about computers, and would only look at a geek as a sub-species. The more you talk, the more it can be twisted.
RIAA for example. Your PC could have been hijacked. No mater what you say you will be viewed as guilty unless you're lucky enough there is eno
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Actually, no. There must be limits to the criminal acts of the police one should feel compelled to show good will with. He may be a fool because he feels confident
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Creating that kind of bad will and then complaining that you might not get your computer equipment back for years, well what do you expect?
He might not get the PC back working at ALL.
A client of mine had to give a medical server over for discovery in an insurance case. After much "analysis" {which turned out to be a bunch of guessing} they returned the box 6 months later... minus hard drive. To this day, neither the insurance company nor "expert witness" will admit that they lost 10 years of patient info and charting.
Stories like this kill me. If we had a better-informed society, the call wouldn't be "get the hacker!"... It'd be "get the i
"Broke into" (Score:5, Insightful)
Also, he notified the involved embassies weeks before publishing the material.
I not saying it was a stupid move (I think it was) but the summary makes him look like a criminal which he is most certainly not. The Swedish police does not understand IT and obviously does whatever foreign countries tell them to do since our political leaders lacks spines.
Just what is he? (Score:5, Interesting)
From the article, paragraph 1:
From the article, paragraph 2:
Emphasis mine. So what is he? If he's a hacker, the raid is just desserts. If he's a security consultant, and he's exposed this flaw, he's being persecuted. Frankly, I don't know what he really is, but it seems like the press is schizophrenic on this issue. It just goes to show that when it comes to technology, the mainstream press is a bit low on clarity and high on sensationalism.
Re:Just what is he? (Score:5, Insightful)
Emphasis mine. So what is he? If he's a hacker, the raid is just desserts. If he's a security consultant, and he's exposed this flaw, he's being persecuted. Frankly, I don't know what he really is, but it seems like the press is schizophrenic on this issue. It just goes to show that when it comes to technology, the mainstream press is a bit low on clarity and high on sensationalism.
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I don't usually reply to my own stuff, but here's Wired's report on the raid and what Egerstad actually did [wired.com].
Dramatic Raid indeed (Score:5, Informative)
so... the criminal cops in sweden want to hack too (Score:2)
A dramatic raid... (Score:5, Funny)
Police: Open this door! Thou art a felon wanted for many counts of villainy against the citizenry of this fair nation!
Dan: How now!? Am I to be jailed? What can I do but beg for the mercy of The Crown?!?!
[Dan weeps loudly]
[Viola music plays a sad song in the background]
[Dan slumps over a b0x3n]
Dan: I am ruined. Farewell, my tools of crime, for you are sure to meet a worse fate than I in our common traitorous endeavors.
[The door breaks in, an officer enters the room and grabs Dan by the shoulder with nightstick in hand]
[Fades to black]
Oh, you mean a different kind of dramatic. Sorry, sorry.
This was NOT a hack. (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Good. (Score:4, Insightful)
I'm getting sick of a society that has ZERO room for exceptions. Make exceptions for the exceptional... that is why they are exceptional.
Although listening to TOR traffic is hardly exceptional, but the point he proved without malicious intent was.
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Re:Good. (Score:5, Insightful)
Publishing login credentials of 100 accounts isn't what I'd call without malicious intent. Okay, he was trying to force them to react, but there are better ways of doing it.
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Your good natured intent is clouding your thinking (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't think you realize just how serious what this guy did is.
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Is sniffing tor packets illegal? Clue me in.
Yes it's illegal (Score:2)
Information wants to be free.
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Re:Good. (Score:4, Insightful)
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Re:Good. (Score:5, Informative)
But here's a few gems for you.
1) He became a tor node.
2) All the data he examined was on his own computers.
3) Everything on the computers belonged to him.
4) As a responsible tor node person, he examined the contents of it.
5) Refer to number 3. Also in the US, he could be found responsible for
people using his tor node to traffic in say copyrighted works or child
abuse. So he would really pretty much HAVE to inspect the contrents of
his traffic to make sure that no illegal activity was taking place.
6) What law is it you think he broke?
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Personally, you sound like the kind of guy the police should protect us from. Too bad that they don't seem to get people with better morals for their own ranks.
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Hacker is someone who does illegal stuff with a computer. People have seen sneakers and swordfish, so they know the term and know it's some computer guy that does illegal stuff. So hacker is it.