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One Laptop Per Child Security Spec Released

Posted by ScuttleMonkey on Wed Feb 07, 2007 05:41 PM
from the no-school-like-the-old-school dept.
juwiley writes "The One Laptop Per Child project has released information about its advanced security platform called Bitfrost. Could children with a $100 laptop end up with a better security infrastructure than executives using $5000 laptops powered by Vista? 'What's deeply troubling — almost unbelievable — about [Unix style permissions] is that they've remained virtually the only real control mechanism that a user has over her personal documents today...In 1971, this might have been acceptable...We have set out to create a system that is both drastically more secure and provides drastically more usable security than any mainstream system currently on the market.'"
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  • If my OLPC applications are completely isolated, how am I going to implement this new idea I have for cross-application communication based on shared pipes among apps.

    I'm thinking it would work well to implement such a feature so that the writing widget can talk to the chat widget and the spreadsheet widget. I was planning on calling it, Dynamic Communication Over Methods, or DCOM for short.

    Now I'm bummed!

    • Please call it: Dynamic Methods Communication Application
    • by Morgaine (4316) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @07:23PM (#17928452)
      >> how am I going to implement this new idea I have for cross-application communication based on shared pipes among apps.

      Actually, it's even worse than your funny (but accurate) comment suggests:

      In the Unix model, applications are often built out of multiple cooperating processes, each of which is isolated into its own address space, with strong barriers between processes enforced by the MMU hardware. This makes each separate part more robust, more comprehensible, and more secure.

      In contrast, when Bitfrost throws away the ability of programs to talk to other programs, it is intrinsically encouraging a monolithic approach to program design, which is a huge step backwards both for security and for complexity management.

      Bitfrost is right to deny free access by programs to a user's filestore objects as an important part of its new security framework, but if the price for that is to disallow strong application factoring and partitioning into separate but communicating processes then the cure may be worse than the disease.
        • by Joce640k (829181) on Thursday February 08 2007, @03:42AM (#17931942) Homepage
          "when Bitfrost throws away the ability of programs to talk to other programs"

          I read the whole article but I don't remember reading that anywhere.

          I read some stuff about programs not being able to look at other program's files, but that's not the same thing at all.

          I'm pretty sure OLPC uses IP, and that means sockets. If you've got sockets then you've got inter-process communication.

          Unless you've got proof that OLPC doesn't have named pipes, etc. then I suspect you're pulling misinformation out of somwhere the sun don't shine.

      • by kelnos (564113) <bjt23.cornell@edu> on Wednesday February 07 2007, @08:04PM (#17928852) Homepage
        Are you just trolling?

        If you'll RTFA (yeah, I know, no one does that...), the system can be completely disabled if the user so wishes. The purpose of the PKI is not to force someone to only use certain software; it's to help ensure that security updates haven't been compromised before getting to the laptop.

        As for installing another Linux distribution, would that even be possible at present? I doubt any other distro would run properly on the OLPC's custom hardware without extensive modifications. Sure, you can argue "but they should have the freedom to break it if they want" -- and they do, as the article says. All this stuff can be disabled. Overwriting the OS should disable the anti-theft daemon, since the anti-theft system is implemented entirely in software.

        I think the anti-theft provisions that turn the laptop into a brick are a bit much, but the actual spec (which I'm sure you didn't read either, as you're misquoting it) notes that the lease period can be set to any value (chosen by the country manager who distributes the laptop). A lease period of 3 months is given as an example. And in extreme circumstances, a USB drive with credentials that can be used to extend the lease period without needing access to the internet.

        At any rate, the spec mentions that the anti-theft system is only installed and enabled on the request of the country purchasing the laptops. So it's not like the OLPC group is forcing this on anyone. If the countries are spending the cash on these things, I think it's reasonable that they should be able to try to protect their investment.

        I have a decent number of reservations about the entire OLPC program, but c'mon, at least don't make up shit about it that isn't true.
      • by schwaang (667808) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @09:32PM (#17929540)

        That means that in order to execute any such programs on their OLPC, those programs are going to need to be "signed" by an "authority" before they can be executed.
        Umm, NO.

        If you RTFA, they specifically designed the security model so that children could write their own apps which can do *anything*. But they set up some defaults (which can be overridden) to protect the system.

        What they are aiming at is a way to set sensible limits per-program, at install time:

        The crux of the problem lies in the assumption that any program executing on a system on the user's behalf should have the exact same abilities and permissions as any other program executing on behalf of the same user.
        So at install time, a package (they call it a bundle IIRC) has a list of specific rights that the program will need in order to do its job. If the bundle doesn't ask for a certain right at install time and tries to use it later (because, say, it was maliciously modified), it will be denied.

        If an app *is* signed by OLPC, it can have any right that it specifically asks for at install time. Otherwise, there are some rules about what subsets of rights are allowable together (i.e. asking for certain rights will exclude certain others by default). But again, the whole thing can be overridden.

        This is nothing like Trusted Computing or DRM. It's more like a wrapper around SELinux (I don't know if that's actually how they implemented it).
      • RTFA (Score:3, Insightful)

        Programming is allowed. There is even a "view source" button on the keyboard!

        Sharing programs (binary executables) with your friends is easy and encouraged. All programs are severely sandboxed by default, so there is no problem unless the attacker finds a bug in the CPU hardware. The sandboxing is really well thought out; an app bundle (install package) can request camera access or net access but not both. Apps never get more permissions than they requested at install time, excepting when an advanced child
  • by TinBromide (921574) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @05:49PM (#17927320)
    So, I bet that my cell phone has better security than a $5000 vista laptop, but you can do stuff on that laptop that you can't on my phone. (not sure what, but i'm sure there's something porn related)
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      On top of the functionality issue, there's also the time and skill of the users to consider. People who can afford high-end laptops can usually deal with reformatting the hard disk and grabbing documents from a network share, the last thing poor children need to do is stop their lives to reformat their laptops.
  • Drastic? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by geomon (78680) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @05:50PM (#17927322) Homepage Journal
    "drastically more secure and provides drastically more usable security"

    Drastic?

    I'd be willing to work toward "acceptable" or "workable".

    The problem with "drastic" is that it often envisions high frontier technologies when all that is needed is a really well thought out plan.

    If the UNIX system worked well for nearly 40 years, and was fairly simple to implement, then another 40 years *might* be had with something equally simple.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      The problem with "drastic" is that it often envisions high frontier technologies when all that is needed is a really well thought out plan.
      If the UNIX system worked well for nearly 40 years, and was fairly simple to implement, then another 40 years *might* be had with something equally simple.


      Nah, we'd need something drastic to fix what we currently have. Linux/Unix wouldn't help if it became dominate and users gave out root passwords to every program that asked nicely for them. I've just read the intro, an
    • Re:Drastic? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Harmonious Botch (921977) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:08PM (#17927598) Homepage Journal
      I'll offer my 'well thought out plan': Real security only happens when there is a button ( with a missle-launch-type cover ) on the side of my computer, so that some tracks of disk and some banks of memory cannot be written to unless that button is pushed.
      • Re:Drastic? (Score:4, Funny)

        by AuMatar (183847) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:29PM (#17927832)
        There already is, minus the cover. Its marked "Power". You can add the cover via a case mod.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        I just had to su change the permissions on a config file so I could change the settings on vegastrike to steer with the mouse. With your model (yes, I detected the humor) developers would design around the "they can just hit the button" principle, even when they are writing things to "just work" remotely. Security will happen when people learn:

        1. This is a computer. You need to know how it works and what you're doing as you use it. Alternatively, you can wash dishes for a living and go outside and play wh
  • Sand dunes (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Space cowboy (13680) * on Wednesday February 07 2007, @05:55PM (#17927426) Journal
    The idea of putting every application into a virtual machine is a good one, but the truism is that security *is* a process, not a checkbox on a feature-list. There is (and always will be) an inverse relationship between security and usability - the more of one, the less of the other. Compartmentalising the applications in such a draconian fashion would appear to be heavily leaning towards the security side, and not the usability side of the argument.

    The article talks about the picture-viewer not being able to access the web. What if I *want* the picture-viewer to access the web ?

    I tihnk I take issue with 99% of applications not needing interaction. If that's true (and I doubt it to be honest), I think that's a failing of software today, not a goal to be strived for. Most of the apps I use daily require web/internet access. I think that's only going to increase over time.

    Simon

    • Re:Sand dunes (Score:5, Informative)

      by Edward Kmett (123105) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:58PM (#17928212) Homepage
      Read more closely.

      The document said that it was not possible for the application to request P_DOCUMENT_RO access and network access simultaneously during installation.

      But it also said that it was perfectly OK for a user to go in and explicitly grant P_NET access via the GUI to an application with P_DOCUMENT_RO access, thereby giving you an application that is able to read your images and mass upload them to teh interweb, but only to those users who know enough to explicitly use the security interface.

      Also the OLPC or local government could issue a signed XO package that offered that functionality to younger children.
  • More Power to Em (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:00PM (#17927472)

    This really is a good idea and hopefully others will follow suit. Applications simply are not all trustworthy and the assumption that they are is a huge failing of most modern OS's. I hope they get this right. There are a lot of pieces here no one has perfected. They need restrictions, proper services between applications and to them, granular levels of trust, or ACL profiles, means of easily and accurately assigning those trust levels, and a well crafted UI for programs that want to override their trust level. Best of luck to them.

    • Re:More Power to Em (Score:4, Informative)

      by Tom (822) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:16PM (#17927692) Homepage Journal
      RTFA. This only protects "against" benign software. Intentionally malicious software has a few hurdles to jump over, but at least the app permission part requires the cooperation of the software in question. In other words: It protects against misbehaving or misappropriated software only.

      Plus it's only a matter of time before the first solitaire clone ships with a "request everything available (and not conflicting with their simple limits model)" setting, because the app dev was too lazy to tie things down.

      If you want a glance at that, install SELinux in non-enforcing mode and look at the log. You'll be surprised what kinds of system calls and file accesses your simple applications make that they don't really need. Much of that is just routine init stuff from some library they use, and most fails silently and with no trouble if they can't get that port or file lock they request, but still...
  • very sceptical (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Tom (822) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:07PM (#17927580) Homepage Journal
    Security is a lot like crypto: Designing your own system is a recipe for desaster. Security is hard, and aside from the conceptual stages, small failures in implementation can destroy the best concept.

    So anyone coming up with a "new and improved" security concept is selling an untested solution. Because security is always tested in the field, never (at least never properly) in the lab.

    And yes, Unix permissions are primitive. But they work, they are reliable and we know their shortcomings and limitations.
    • Re:very sceptical (Score:5, Insightful)

      by swillden (191260) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Wednesday February 07 2007, @08:38PM (#17929124) Homepage Journal

      So anyone coming up with a "new and improved" security concept is selling an untested solution.

      True, but inapplicable in this case. For two reasons.

      1. There are no new concepts in the XO security model.
      2. The traditional security model (used by Unix and Windows) cannot work for the OLPC, so something different is required.

      How can we have a new security model, but no new security model concepts? What's new is that ideas which have been reserved for high-security systems are being applied to a system that large numbers of people will actually use.

      The core ideas are:

      • Sandboxing, aka Mandatory Access Controls. Not only have research systems built on this concept existed for years, but we also have a decade of practical experience with Java sandboxes, and several years of extensive experience with MAC on Linux (SELinux). Specialized high-security operating systems have employed MAC for decades.
      • Chroot jails. Most sysadmins who are serious about security run all Internet-facing applications in jails, to limit the damage that can be done if the app is exploited. The only difference here is that the concept is being applied to all apps.
      • Digital signatures as a way to authorize applications to break out of their constrained (sandboxed and jailed) environments.
      • Allowing users to authorize applications to break out of their constrained environments.
      • Security by default. The system is secure out of the box.

      The only innovation here is in the decision to apply these known security models/tools to all applications on the OLPC. There is some good thought that has gone into determining what kinds of restrictions can be placed on apps, and the bit about constraining the permissions that apps can request during installation (e.g. either network or file access, not both -- without digital signature or explicit user authorization) is clever, but there's nothing fundamentally new.

      But the issue is somewhat deeper than that, as well.

      It's important to realize that the traditional security model does not work for OLPC machines. Why? Because (1) they're specifically designed as computers whose software is highly mutable and (2) they're specifically designed to live as part of a network. The traditional model works great if you can thoroughly prove the integrity of the software on the system and then lock it down -- but you can't do that on machines that are constantly connected to others and always exchanging bits of code and data.

      You can try, of course. And we do. And we've seen just how well it works. Massive botnets of zombies is the result as is high-powered machines dedicating a significant portion of their processing power to defending themselves against malicious code -- and failing.

      The traditional model is fundamentally broken in the networked age, and the OLPC machines are not only networked, but designed to facilitate every user becoming an at least minimally-competent programmer and to encourage widespread, free sharing of user-developed code.

      New problems require new solutions. In this case, it appears that we already had all of the tools required available, they just weren't widely used.

      My prediction: The XO security model will be an outstanding success story. It'll have its problems, and it'll have to be tweaked in various ways, but the basic ideas are so good, and so fundamentally simple, that it will work very well. Application authors will be able to achieve what they want, and security will be generally quite good.

      I also think that the OLPC project is one of the most amazing stories in the history of computing. It's giving a bunch of brilliant people the opportunity to completely re-imagine computing, and they're doing it with a laser focus on the needs of the people who use the computers, rather than the needs of those who sell the computers and the software.

  • by gd23ka (324741) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:08PM (#17927596) Homepage
    --"No lockdown. Though in their default settings, the laptop's security
      systems may impose various prohibitions on the user's actions, there
    must exist a way for these security systems to be disabled. When that is
    the case, the machine will grant the user complete control."

    That is the one of the key differences between Bitfrost and Microsoft
    "trusted computing" schemes: you as owner of the box can get around it.
  • by SilentMobius (10171) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:24PM (#17927788)
    From TFA
    "Beyond cyberthreats, the XO laptop will have an anti-theft system designed to render stolen laptops useless. Each XO is assigned a "lease," secured by cryptography, that allows it to operate for a limited period of time. The laptop connects to the internet daily and checks in with a country-specific server to see if it's been reported stolen. If not, the lease is extended another few weeks."

    Congratulations, you have destroyed this projects credibility, desirability and much of the good will that the open source community was providing.

    I wonder this would rule out any interaction with the GPL v3?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Also from TFA:

      The OLPC project has received very strong requests from certain countries considering joining the program to provide a powerful anti-theft service that would act as a theft deterrent against most thieves.

      We provide such a service for interested countries to enable on the laptops.

      So, it's not enabled by default. I'm not a huge fan of this system, but higher up in the spec where it's described, it appears to be implemented entirely in software (it's a *deterrent*, not intended to make it com

  • by Animats (122034) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:34PM (#17927900) Homepage

    It's not hard to do this. Several groups had systems this tight working back in the 1980s. For that matter, Multics had it right in the late 1960s. Linux has it now, in NSA SELinux.

    It breaks existing applications, of course. The OLPC people have a huge advantage - they don't care about existing applications. They can say to application developers, "these are the security constraints - design to them." That's a huge win.

    Somebody should have done this by now for phones and palmtops, but, unfortunately, those things started out so underpowered they barely had an operating system. So they have their own legacy problems.

    • by fwr (69372) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @08:05PM (#17928862)
      To my knowledge SELinux implements MAC (Mandatory Access Control). That is not necessarily the same thing as a virtual machine per application. Pick up a book on the CISSP certification, which I AM going to get in April. There is a lot of information about different methods of access control. From reading the A, yes I RTFA, it doesn't sound like OLPC fits into any of the standard definitions (DAC, MAC, RBAC). It sounds closest to RBAC than the others, but it doesn't really fit that model either. I'd like to hear from other security professionals how they would categorize OLPC, but I think we would need more information first.
      • To my knowledge SELinux implements MAC (Mandatory Access Control). That is not necessarily the same thing as a virtual machine per application.

        First, the two concepts "virtual machine" and "mandatory access control" are orthogonal. A virtual machine may choose to implement MAC (and the sandbox that Java applets are placed in is a MAC implementation), or it may choose any other security model (or none).

        Mandatory Access Control is simply a set of permissions that are independent of the identity of the user who owns a process. Unix and Windows permissions are all about the process UID, every decision about what the process should or should not be allowed to do comes down to a check of user-related information.

        With MAC, the permissions are associated instead with the process and/or the data it's acting on. MAC as implemented by SELinux (and the XO security model, BTW) associates a set of permissions with each program. Program A is configured as being allowed to do X or Y but not Z, while program B is allowed to do Y or Z but not X.

        Note that these permissions are orthogonal to UID-based permissions. Suppose a program has permission to read files from a given region of the file system, but the user account the program is running as does not have permission to read a given file within that region. The program can't read that file while running as that user.

        Second, there's nothing in the Bifrost spec about virtual machines. It's not clear, but it looks to me like the Bifrost MAC is implemented at the OS layer, in spite of the fact that the Wired article talks about VMs.

        It sounds closest to RBAC than the others, but it doesn't really fit that model either.

        No, it is most definitely not role-based -- role-based access is again based on user ID (via the roles associated with that UID at the moment). Actually, I think there are probably traditional user and group-based permissions as well, but the key security tools defined by Bifrost are MAC, not RBAC.

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          First, the two concepts "virtual machine" and "mandatory access control" are orthogonal. A virtual machine may choose to implement MAC (and the sandbox that Java applets are placed in is a MAC implementation), or it may choose any other security model (or none).

          Hence my difficulty in classifying the type of access control. I don't know enough about the Java sandbox to say whether it is MAC or not, but I doubt it. MAC entails assigning a specific classification to each object, and clearances to subjects

  • Two Cents (Score:4, Insightful)

    by kahrytan (913147) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @07:07PM (#17928300) Homepage

    I've got two things to say.

    1. Bring these security additions to public linux distributions.

    2. Would you (and the rest of /.ers) be willing to purchase 1 of these laptops for $200? I say $200 so the extra $100 goes toward a laptop for a child in third world country.
  • by rnturn (11092) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @07:38PM (#17928584)

    "What's deeply troubling -- almost unbelievable -- about [Unix style permissions] is that they've remained virtually the only real control mechanism that a user has over her personal documents today..."

    Oh, my! I feel so... so... exposed!

    So let's make the default umask "077" for all UNIX- and Linux-based systems. Would that help? To a great extent. Would it decrease usability? Sure. But if that 'swhat it takes to have some semblance of system security, so be it. It seems that work on file-level security has taken steps backwards since the "do everything via a browser" mentality began taking root in UNIX/Linux. That us brings automatic execution of programs based on some file's extension (the so-called "helper" applications). Yep, that proved to be such a winner in the DOS/Windows arena that we should all start doing it. What little cool feature of the web that makes something easier to do hasn't proven to have gaping security holes in it? Every so-called "advance" in usability seems to have a detrimental effect on system security. Always has and, I'd bet, always will. Usabililty and security are playing a zero-sum game. You can't seem to have more of one without less of the other. But I digress...

    I don't know what the ultimate solution will be but I'm thinking that liberal use of "umask 077", RBAC (especially on root) and ACLs, and a default policy of "drop" on one's firewalls will go a long way in protecting system(s). All of those have been available on UNIX/Linux for quite a while. So much for permission bits being "virtually the only real control mechanism that a user has over her personal documents today".

    The creator of this "BitFrost" cryptographic security scheme says:

    "I fear there is something I missed."

    Frankly, I kept having the same feeling as I read the Wired article. I think what it was that he was missing was "simplicity". Dongles for laptops in rural villages? Local license servers for villages that have no internet access? Jeebus!

  • by LuckyStarr (12445) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @08:13PM (#17928926)
    Wow, I read the whole FA. I must be new here.

    Seriously, I agree with most their findings and strategies to mitigate the risks of theft, lost privacy, etc. I also find it noteworthy that the Mic and Cam both have a direct wired LED to indicate activation of said components, where the LED can not be turned on/off by software at all. Thus eavesdropping becomes evident. The spec is a nice read and most points Ivan makes are (from my standpoint) well thought through and sensible for the environment in which the XO is to be deployed.

    What I object against though, is point 8.12 (P_X) [laptop.org] of the spec. As I understand it, as long as you happen to be in possession of a "trusted" key to the machine (which will certainly be OLPC and the government of the child in posession of the XO) you may eavesdrop on any resource of the X window system as you see fit? Correct me if I am wrong, but AFAIK the X protocol was never designed with security in mind. So sending commands to another program might also impicitly mean the ability to check the state of that program.

    Would any X expert please confirm or dismiss this, as I can't becase I'm no X expert myself.

  • Who holds the keys? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Louis Guerin (728805) <guerin@gm x . n et> on Wednesday February 07 2007, @09:19PM (#17929442)
    As with any sufficiently strong security system, the weakest link I foresee will be the people. In this case, not the people who *use* the XO, but the people who control various points along the keychain: developer keys, activation keys, etc.

    The people who hold these keys are plenty vulnerable to corruption, intimidation and good old-fashioned trickery. This doesn't invalidate the security model, but I'd be interested to know how they mean to preserve the integrity of the keychain in case of theft, misuse, disaster, going-out-of-business and aliens.

    L
    • http://plan9.bell-labs.com/magic/man2html/2/fork [bell-labs.com]

      RFCNAMEG If set, the new process starts with a clean name space. A new name space must be built from a mount of an open file descriptor.

        • by r00t (33219) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @10:01PM (#17929776) Journal
          Our rfork() is called clone(), or unshare() if you don't need a new thread/process.

          When you want a new namespace, you specify the CLONE_NEWNS flag. (root only, sorry, because of setuid concerns)

          Once you have a new namespace, you can unmount things you don't need. You can do bind mounts, which let you graft directories onto other places. You can use a bind mount to make a read-only copy of something, then unmount the original... all without mucking up processes that aren't part of the same CLONE_NEWNS group. Portions of the filesystem tree can be shared as well, in case you really do want changes to appear to both sides of the CLONE_NEWNS. Access to things can be permanently given up within the CLONE_NEWNS group, making for a rather fine jail that generally beats jail(8) quite severely.

          There are extra goodies for stuff like isolating the view of system time, the view of executing processes, etc.
    • by pla (258480) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:28PM (#17927814) Journal
      I wonder if the author's used chmod, chown, etc.? What's the essential difference between Unix style permissions and other permission systems?

      Well, Windows uses the ACL system of permissions it stole from VMS. It actually does provide more control (that you don't need 99.9% of the time), such as multiple groups having different levels of permissions.

      Increasingly complex file-level security does come with one major drawback, however... I can look at a file under Linux and instantly tell (possibly with a quick check of the members of a single group) who has what access to it. Under Windows, good luck with that. XP actually has an advanced security tab, "Effective Permissions", solely for the purpose of testing what access a given user has to a file or directory. Short of that tool, some of the more complex possible configurations (which don't take any sort of unrealistically contrived setups to get, such as a combination of local and domain groups having both inherited and locally set permissions) would leave you feeling very uncomfortable guessing who has access to a given file. And of course, that tab only lets you check one user or group at a time, so it proves utterly useless in answering the simple question "Who can overwrite this file".

      In fairness, you could write a script to test every user and group against a given set of files and directories and generate a report off the output, but seriously, would anyone really consider that "better" than "0750, yup, that looks good"?
      • Pity they're so badly set by default. Unix could do with allowing groups within groups. It would allow admins to add group permissions to a resource and then add user groups to the resource group. Its sort of possible using NIS, but then you're stuck with NIS. The simplicity of Unix permissions is handy, but you can have that same simplicity using Windows just by managing the acls properly.

        Still, the fact that Unix permissions are still around, being used and adequate for most people is a testament to the c
          • Basically all UNIX-like systems support ACLs now.

            The ACLs are usually almost like the ones Windows uses, with a few minor differences:

            a. UNIX-like systems normally still use rwx.
            b. Windows normally disables checking permissions on parent directories.
            c. Windows does a funny sort of inheritance thing that kills performance. (thus the above speed hack)

            The stuff OLPC is using is way more powerful though. An ACL on your own data file will not protect your data from being damaged by a trojan. The OLPC project use
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        "Well, Windows uses the ACL system of permissions it stole from VMS. It actually does provide more control (that you don't need 99.9% of the time), such as multiple groups having different levels of permissions."

        You do realize Microsoft hired Dave Cutler (the guy who created VMS) to design NT, right? I wouldn't say they stole VMS, Cutler simply applied his knowledge of ACL security to Windows NT security.

        "Increasingly complex file-level security does come with one major drawback, however... I can look at a
        • by Michael Woodhams (112247) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @08:14PM (#17928936) Journal
          Yeah, because right-clicking a file or folder, selecting Properties, then choosing the confusingly labeled Security tab is difficult.

          Too right it was difficult. My WinXP installation decided that a "security" tab was just too confusing so it didn't display it. There was some arcane ritual I needed to perform to enable it. The help files mostly just assumed this ritual had been performed, so they said "click on the security tab and then...", flatly contradicting what I could see (a Properties window with no security tab). There was a lot of frustration before I stumbled on the ritual.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          You do realize Microsoft hired Dave Cutler (the guy who created VMS) to design NT, right?

          Yes, actually, I do. And I'd say most of the same complaints about VMS - Except that Windows doesn't have the rock-solid stability to make up for the hellishness of use.



          Yeah, because right-clicking a file or folder, selecting Properties, then choosing the confusingly labeled Security tab is difficult.

          Hypothetical situation for you...

          You have Domain Admin (but not EA) on a standard mid-sized multi-site corpo
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        I can look at a file under Linux and instantly tell (possibly with a quick check of the members of a single group) who has what access to it.

        This is not entirely true: A file chmod'd 777 appears to be readable and writeable by everyone, but if it's contained within a directory chmod'd 700, then it is accessible to only the owner (unless a user has an open handle to that directory already, but let's not split hairs). Ditto if the parent directory is 777, but *that* directory's parent is 700.

        The same is going
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        There's another major drawback you missed. Managing permissions on NT systems is quite a pain. It often takes more work, and more repeating yourself to get what you want. This means that there's a higher chance that people will make a mistake when setting permissions. Also people are more likely to leave files with inappropriate permissions because they are too lazy to go to the work of doing it right.
            • by cduffy (652) <charles+slashdot@dyfis.net> on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:51PM (#17928126)
              Once you do that, it isn't the traditional Unix model anymore -- it's something more like POSIX ACLs, which Linux *does* support, and which *does* provide the ability to give one group write while another has read.

              I think the traditional UNIX model is too simple to call bolting on an List of names and permissions used for Access Control (in place of the user/group/mask approach) a "trivial tweak".
        • It isn't about ACLs. (Score:5, Interesting)

          by jhantin (252660) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:52PM (#17928146) Homepage

          It's the sandboxing. A program run by a given user doesn't automatically get the user's full permissions -- it only gets a small subset. For example, it can't open files from the user's home directory other than by calling a trusted system File Open dialog, which allows the user to select the file and returns an open file handle to the application (or in OLPC's case hardlinks the file into the chroot jail).

          In terms of research projects, see the secure scripting language E [erights.org] and the proof of concept CapDesk [combex.com].

          Interestingly, in the commercial world it only seems to turn up in safe bytecode runtimes -- there's very little out there for native code. For an example of something similar in concept look at JNLP [sun.com] or ClickOnce [microsoft.com] deployers.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        One of the problems that I have had with Unix permissions is that - irregardless of ACL's - RWX is not enough for file servers. Being able to choose more specifically what a user can do (for example, Windows supports things like create files, create folders, take ownership, change permissions, etc). The biggest problem I have is that there is no way to change ownership of files if you're not root. Same thing with changing permissions, if you're not the owner. There are also some instances where I do not
          • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

            For multiple users changing permissions or multiple owners, read man setfacl

            I just did, it contains this line:

            o Exactly one user entry specified for the file
            owner.

            You have have the owner be a group, which would allow multiple users to technically be the owner, but this is not the same thi
    • by Goaway (82658) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @06:59PM (#17928224) Homepage
      I can't help but notice that the people working on this "too ambitious" project are actually out there doing it, while you are... posting on Slashdot?
    • by dbIII (701233) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @07:16PM (#17928386)
      Forget about the theft angle - the surpisingly large rate of mobile phone adoption in the third world shows valuble bits of easily stolen electronics are not all going to suddenly get sold back to westerners. These things are infrastructure and I see them as comparable to the Australian School of the Air run by radio to remote areas since the 1920s. The concept of the possibilites of such a thing is explored in fiction in "The Diamond Age" - connected to the net these things are books with a lot of answers.
    • by dewarrn1 (985887) on Wednesday February 07 2007, @07:33PM (#17928538)
      From the spec [laptop.org] linked from the article, section 11:

      1227 In Norse mythology, Bifrost is the bridge which keeps mortals, inhabitants of
      1228 the realm of Midgard, from venturing into Asgard, the realm of the gods. In
      1229 effect, Bifrost is a powerful security system designed to keep out unwanted
      1230 intruders.
      1231
      1232 This is not why the OLPC security platform's name is a play on the name of the
      1233 mythical bridge, however. What's particularly interesting about Bifrost is a
      1234 story that 12th century Icelandic historian and poet Snorri Sturluson tells in
      1235 the first part of his poetics manual called the Prose Edda. Here is the
      1236 relevant excerpt from the 1916 translation by Arthur Gilchrist Brodeur:
      1237
      1238 Then said Gangleri: "What is the way to heaven from earth?"
      1239
      1240 Then Harr answered, and laughed aloud: "Now, that is not wisely asked; has
      1241 it not been told thee, that the gods made a bridge from earth, to heaven,
      1242 called Bifrost? Thou must have seen it; it may be that ye call it rainbow.'
      1243 It is of three colors, and very strong, and made with cunning and with more
      1244 magic art than other works of craftsmanship. But strong as it is, yet must
      1245 it be broken, when the sons of Muspell shall go forth harrying and ride it,
      1246 and swim their horses over great rivers; thus they shall proceed."
      1247
      1248 Then said Gangleri: "To my thinking the gods did not build the bridge
      1249 honestly, seeing that it could be broken, and they able to make it as they
      1250 would."
      1251
      1252 Then Harr replied: "The gods are not deserving of reproof because of this
      1253 work of skill: a good bridge is Bifrost, but nothing in this world is of
      1254 such nature that it may be relied on when the sons of Muspell go
      1255 a-harrying."
      1256
      1257 This story is quite remarkable, as it amounts to a 13th century recognition of
      1258 the idea that there's no such thing as a perfect security system.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        The OLPC poject gave up on existing software years ago. All OLPC applications must be written (or ported) specifically for OLPC.

        128 MB RAM and 512 MB total storage in Flash RAM.

        Of course all the apps are specifically rewritten for OLPC. Security aside, most applications written for today's computers with 100+GB HD's won't load on a computer with only 128 MB of RAM without VM. Heck, with swap-files/VM disabled, you can't boot into a typical install of XP if you only have 128MB RAM much less run any ap