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Why South Korea Is Shackled To Windows

Posted by kdawson on Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:43 AM
from the monoculture dept.
Microsoft Security IT
baron writes with a blog post explaining in detail why 99.9% of S. Korea uses Windows. This amazing tale began in 1998 when Korea decided it couldn't wait for SSL to be standardized (which it was in 1999) and commissioned an ActiveX control for secure Web transactions. At first there was a secure Netscape plugin too, but we know how that story ended. Quoting: "This nation is a place where Apple Macintosh users cannot bank online, make any purchases online, or interact with any of the nation's e-government sites online. In fact, Linux users, Mozilla Firefox users, and Opera users are also banned from any of these types of transactions..." Now that Microsoft has made ActiveX more secure in Vista, every Web site in S. Korea is scrambling to get things working again and the government is advising citizens not to install Vista. At the end of all this work, they will still be a monoculture in thrall to Microsoft, with millions of users sitting behind some of the fattest pipes in the world.
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  • Shackled to Windows? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Apocalypse111 (597674) on Friday January 26 2007, @11:46AM (#17770462) Journal
    But I thought Starcraft worked on Mac too...

    Laugh. Its funny.

    • Re:Shackled to Windows? (Score:5, Funny)

      by markov_chain (202465) on Friday January 26 2007, @11:54AM (#17770632) Homepage
      Laugh. Its funny.

      kekekeke

      • Starcraft in South Korea (Score:5, Informative)

        by AHumbleOpinion (546848) on Friday January 26 2007, @11:54AM (#17770636) Homepage
        "But I thought Starcraft worked on Mac too..."

        It's called World of Warcraft...

        I don't think you realize the popularity of Starcrft in South Korea. It's almost a national sport, there are multiple cable TV channels that show tournaments live with play-by-play commentators.
                  • While it is true that there are only a few prominent strategies used in high-level Starcraft games in the beginning, this is only because they were found to have the right combination of versatility and effectiveness. Once the initial rush phase is over, if the various sides have survived then it becomes a whole different game, and much more individualized and reactive. Terrans and Protoss start setting up defensive structures, and can go in several different directions from there (for example, the Terran

  • How easy to give up Freedom (Score:4, Insightful)

    by what about (730877) on Friday January 26 2007, @11:48AM (#17770494) Homepage

    and how difficult to get it back

    This is not just for Computing but the concept is more important than ever now, in Computing

  • I know that there is a joke in here somewhere..
  • ... the NSA loves you when you do!

  • The Anti-Massachusetts (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hey (83763) on Friday January 26 2007, @11:51AM (#17770576) Journal
    Kinda makes you think that Massachusetts with their push for open formats, etc might
    be on to something. (If you we're already thinking that.)
  • Just Satan calls the shots.

    Kind of bashing Windows I guess, but it makes me wonder if it's even possible to convert to more open standards at a reasonable price? Even with the "more secure" ActiveX controls, its still easier to modify those existing controls in VS than it is to rebuild the site under OSS.

    Sigh. Owning a Monopoly must be nice.

    • Re:Like Geek heven.. (Score:4, Insightful)

      by nine-times (778537) <nine.times@gmail.com> on Friday January 26 2007, @12:15PM (#17770980) Homepage

      The first thing I wondered when I read this was, "Did they learn their lesson?" They standardized their entire country on a closed system, and when the vendor of that closed system initiates an arbitrary change, they're pretty much screwed and forced to rebuild things. In my mind, the smart thing would be to bite the bullet, drop Active X, and switch to Firefox and have a true multi-platform solution. Hell, if they can't do everything they require in an extension, they can go as far as making their own fork, and they'll retain that option in the future.

      Really, this should be a lesson for everyone.

  • That's what you get (Score:3, Insightful)

    by mobby_6kl (668092) on Friday January 26 2007, @11:52AM (#17770608)
    when the government jumps the gun and does what it thinks is best for everyone.
  • Apparently, the dupe detection software was written in south korea and uses activex to authenticate

    http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/24/210234 [slashdot.org]

    too bad kdawson just upgraded to vista

  • Diversity (Score:5, Funny)

    by Zebra_X (13249) on Friday January 26 2007, @11:53AM (#17770618)
    Kids, diversity is bad, MMMM KAY?
  • We all know how good, greasy fat pipes are a botnet-master dream. Maybe that's why I see so much SPAM from S.Korean IPs.

    Also, a major flaw in MS-Win could render this country's Internet infrastructure and systems useless.

    They really should reconsider this decision. Strategically it isn't a good one. And I don't mean creating another monopoly with Linux or whatever, just give the users a choice, so that their OS environment gets more colored.

  • Shackled to...windows? (Score:5, Funny)

    by shirizaki (994008) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:00PM (#17770744)
    Just break the glass and escape through the window.

  • Alternatively... (Score:5, Funny)

    by Corsican Upstart (879857) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:00PM (#17770754)
    Alternatively, from the better-than-what-they're-using-in-north-korea department

  • wait? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tom (822) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:01PM (#17770756) Homepage Journal

    This amazing tale began in 1998 when Korea decided it couldn't wait for SSL to be standardized (which it was in 1999) and commissioned an ActiveX control for secure Web transactions.
    Has anyone ever investigate which backroom dealings resulted in this decision? Decisions like this, with a multi-billion profit guarantee to a specific vendor, aren't made for technical merit. If you really believe that neither MS nor someone else with stakes in it (maybe some reseller?) was involved, I have a few bridges for sale...

    • Re:wait? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by inviolet (797804) <pineminder.yahoo@com> on Friday January 26 2007, @12:10PM (#17770916) Journal

      Has anyone ever investigate which backroom dealings resulted in this decision? Decisions like this, with a multi-billion profit guarantee to a specific vendor, aren't made for technical merit. If you really believe that neither MS nor someone else with stakes in it (maybe some reseller?) was involved, I have a few bridges for sale...

      Well said.

      This tale still might have a silver lining, though. A single security vulnerability, properly exploited, could turn the entire economy of South Korea into a cautionary tale. For a decade afterward, at board meetings where purchasing or standardization decisions are being debated, people will randomly interject "But we could end up like South Korea!".

      This is slashdot. Do we believe what we say about the perils of vendor lockin and closed-source? If so, then we should also believe that South Korea's predicament will eventually become a clear and obvious error.

  • This is MS's fault how? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Bacon Bits (926911) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:05PM (#17770824)

    Yeah, I'm not getting how this is anybody's fault except S. Korea's. SEED is an open specification. There is no reason the Korean community can't develop a plug-in for other systems. All that is required is for the S. Korean CA to allow it. Again, that's S. Korea's fault.



    The only fault of Microsoft's lies in an area that the author is grossly misinformed. He says "In IE 7 and in Vista, Microsoft has re-architected Active X controls in such a way to make them 'more safe' by requiring a user action for the control to run", and then links to a page about the Eolas patent resolution. Many places have had to recode websites and controls after this change. While it is Microsoft's fault for the implementation, the impact on S. Korea is entirely up to them.



    Sorry, you made your bed.

    • Re:This is MS's fault how? (Score:5, Interesting)

      by michaelvkim (981938) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:35PM (#17771292)

      There is no reason the Korean community can't develop a plug-in for other systems.
      Contrary to what this article is trying to say, there simply is no reason to develop a plug-in for other systems.
      You need to understand the Korean mentality. It wouldn't have mattered if the government made Active-X the standard, or if they outlawed it completely. Hell, it wouldn't have mattered if the government didn't do anything. This would've happened regardless. The reason is that unlike in America where it's cool to be different and unique, the Korean mentality is to be as homogeneous as possible. Anybody "weird" is singled out and alienated. This mindset is embedded in their society, culture, personal and professional lives, and everything else they do.
      The mere fact MS bundles IE with XP pretty much ENSURED that IE would be used by the vast majority of users in Korea.
      Even if standards were opened to allow Firefox, Safari, or Opera access to everything online, I will bet that IE will still have 99.9% of the market. Simply because it's what everybody else is using.

  • The problem is that Vista doesn't play well with a software program called Active-X that is widely used in Korean Internet sites.

    No, the problem is that incompetently created websites use delicate nonportable nonstandard proprietary software that is only interoperative with one single obsolete platform.

    Don't blame Vista; blame people who aren't responsible, experienced, or forward-looking enough to see why complying with standards is so necessary.

    Now let's see how people will fix their glaring mistake

    • No, the problem is that incompetently created websites use delicate nonportable nonstandard proprietary software that is only interoperative with one single obsolete platform.

      It's only "obsolete" because it was poorly designed in the first place and the vendor had to drop support for it in Vista. Although you can blame the web sites for being stupid and not anticipating that they were going to get screwed by Microsoft, Microsoft is still the primary party at fault here.

      And if you think Vista's "advanced te

  • Korean computers SUCKKKKK!!! (Score:5, Informative)

    by michaelvkim (981938) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:05PM (#17770832)
    Being Korean and known as somebody who's good with computers, a lot of my friends and family members ask me to look at their computer because "it's running too slow". At first I was more than happy to, but now I dread looking at a Korean computer because:

    1. it's running Windows with IE and at least 3 extraneous toolbars

    2. it hasn't been defragmented since the computer was first built

    3. EVERY website HAS to install software to make it run properly

    4. EVERY website the user has bookmarked has at least 5 megabytes of flash (and they're all advertisements)

    Everybody in Korea signs up for everything, not knowing how useless the service is, how dangerous it is on their computer, and how much traffic it eats up. Just go to www.daum.net [daum.net] or www.naver.co.kr [naver.co.kr], the two most popular media portals in Korea. What's worse is that Koreans prefer that kind of interface over Google [google.com].

    I'm not trying to bash Koreans, Windows, or Internet Explorer at all. It's just that when you put the three together, bad things are bound to happen.

  • ActiveX (Score:5, Informative)

    by ZwJGR (1014973) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:08PM (#17770870)
    It shouldn't be a huge amount of work to get ActiveX controls working on Windows.
    A .ocx activex control is just a COM DLL really, and ought not to be too much trouble to port to Linux Firefox (in conjunction with WINE perhaps), or to Mac OS possibly in conjunction with the Win32 api compatability layer (Darwin?). A plugin wouldn't be too difficult to write, as ActiveX is better documented than many other areas of Windows. I'm sure that if enough South Korean programmers, and there are a lot, get annoyed, the problem will be sorted, particularly with the Vista issue.

    Personnely I doubt that Vista will break these Korean ActiveX modules indefinetely, as MS can release a patch after the OS is releashed and selling, at their leisure. MS would never create a situation where an entire country is put off their flagship product, especially a country with 99.9% MS Windows usage, as stated in the article.

    While I find the prevalent MS monoculture in South Korea in itself quite alarming and surprising, I don't think that the compatability issues with Vista are a cause for major concern. Nobody is foring anybody to upgrade to Vista after all.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Shaper_pmp (825142)

      Personnely I doubt that Vista will break these Korean ActiveX modules indefinetely, as MS can release a patch after the OS is releashed and selling, at their leisure. MS would never create a situation where an entire country is put off their flagship product, especially a country with 99.9% MS Windows usage, as stated in the article.

      I think you'll find the problem is that it's the very fundamental design decisions in ActiveX that are the problem.

      ActiveX was originally designed with almost no thought to sec

  • Proprietary software (Score:5, Insightful)

    by feranick (858651) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:13PM (#17770970)
    This is exactly why the generalized use of proprietary and not standard software is a bad idea. Being the most common platform, doesn't make it a standard either since the all country relies on something you have totally no control about.

  • At the end of all this work, they will still be a monoculture in thrall to Microsoft, with millions of users sitting behind some of the fattest pipes in the world.
    I think its funny the poster left the part about millions of users behind the fattest pipes around--that seems like the worst part of the story. A monstrous delivery system for Microsoft zero-day worms/exploits, etc... A virtual-WMD if you will.

    Just thinking about it makes me want to tell my firewall to shun all traffic from large swaths of the world...

    Another question: Couldn't this be forced through liability? I.e. These companies need to switch to using the now much-more secure SSL to handle transactions, or find themselves liable when their customers identities are stolen through their weak quasi-encryption scheme. That's why US companies did it--they didn't want to get sued because a weak protocol was cracked.
    • Windows to hosed in 3...

      *** STOP 0x0000007B (0xF201B84C,0xC0000034,0x00000000,0x00000000)
      INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE

      If this is the first time you've seen this Stop error screen, you are
      very fortunate. However, it is highly unlikely that this will be the
      last time you will see this.

      This particular error means that there was a problem reading the boot
      information from the hard disk drive. If you are hearing strange
      clicking noises coming from your computer, you should go out and buy
      a new hard drive as soon as pos

  • other parallels (Score:4, Insightful)

    by nostriluu (138310) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:40PM (#17771378) Homepage

    The Government of Canada uses a public key infrastructure system, that only works in some browsers. Famously for the past census, only some people could access it.

    Some important sites, such as banks and airlines, don't support other browsers or require plugins as well. It is getting better with the important cross platform critical mass of Firefox, but far from perfect.

    Is it a public highway, or something designed only for Ford Explorers(tm)?

  • I'm SO glad you clarified this (Score:3, Funny)

    by sheldon (2322) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:40PM (#17771390)
    After this was posted two days ago as Koreans Advised to "Avoid Vista" for Now [slashdot.org], there was a lot of confusion created.

    It's good that you put up this article for us, helping to clarify that we're talking about South Korea and not North Korea.

    Thank you. My comrades in North Korea will be relieved to hear this.

  • this is a perfect indicator (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JustNiz (692889) on Friday January 26 2007, @12:57PM (#17771696)
    as to the problem that would quickly happen to the rest of the world too if it weren't for OpenSource and GNU/Linux, and the EU fighting Microsoft.

  • It is worse elsewhere, almost ... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by kbahey (102895) on Friday January 26 2007, @02:35PM (#17773746) Homepage
    South Korea is one country that shares a language with only one other country (North Korea).

    The matter is worse in other parts of the world where many more were affected.

    A while ago, I wrote about Microsoft and Arabization [baheyeldin.com] and the issue of browser independence [baheyeldin.com].

    Remember that there are about 300 million native Arabic speakers, and it is the 5th language or so worldwide, spread over 20+ countries. Not to mention the many others who read or speak Arabic as a second language.

    In the mid to late 1990s, Microsoft entrenched itself in the Arabic internet market. Most sites were just unusable form anything other than Microsoft Internet Explorer.

    Since MS IE does not adhere to standards, and it became the dominant browser by the early 2000s, this monopoly further entrenched Microsoft as the sole technology provider for web sites in the Middle East.

    Speaking to a developer at a fairly large company about it, he said : "forget Mac and Linux, we say the application requires Microsoft IE 5 [at the time]". I was flabbergasted by that attitude.

    Not only is he mandating a certain browser, but an entire operating system and hardware architecture! And that went unchallenged.

    Fortunately, things started to improve over the last year or two, with FireFox gaining ground, and there is no single government forcing a monoculture via banking security or something like that. Sites that used not to work (including Al Jazeera Arabic web site) are usable once more, perhaps with a few glitches here and there.

    Still, most people use Hotmail for their email, and MSN for chat (voice and text). It may take time, but I hope the spread of FireFox, Mac OS/X and to a lesser extent Linux will continue to keep web site developers cross platform, and never force the monoculture that was prevalent up until a few years ago.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Shaper_pmp (825142)
      Indeed. And look where it got them - massive costs to update their entire online commerce infrastructure overnight, or be effectively locked out of the entire future of the single overwhelmingly dominant computing platform.

      And if they make the same mistake again and just retool for Vista/IE7 instead of migrating to open standards, another huge up-front cost when those proprietary formats and "standards" go the way proprietary formats always do.

      It's kind of like taking massive amounts of coke - sure, your m

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