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Cellphone Use On Planes Coming Soon?

Posted by CowboyNeal on Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:58 PM
from the cleared-of-bee-murder-charges dept.
s31523 writes "A while back it was reported that cell phone use was given the OK on Emirate airlines. The BBC is now reporting European agencies back the use of cell phones in air. Plans have been developed to introduce technology that allow cell phone use on planes without any risk of interference. A spokesman for the UK regulator Ofcom said there were still many stages to pass through before final approval was given to the roll out of the plans, but the regulator said that the technology could be implemented next year."
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  • by Argon Sloth (655369) <`ac.retsamcm' `ta' `meleknif'> on Friday October 19 2007, @12:01AM (#21036845)
    Eagerly awaiting the Motorola Snake and all the jokes that come with it.
  • by dreadlord76 (562584) on Friday October 19 2007, @12:04AM (#21036875)
    In related news, Boeing and Airbus both announced the immediate availability of "Cone Of Silence" option on all airplanes.
  • by Cryacin (657549) on Friday October 19 2007, @12:08AM (#21036905)
    Now we get loud mouthed cellphone jabbers AND 13 yr old SMS kiddies beeping away during the entire duration of Sydney and LA... I can forsee 15 hrs of absolute murderous psychopatic bliss.
    • Now we get loud mouthed cellphone jabbers AND 13 yr old SMS kiddies beeping away during the entire duration of Sydney and LA... I can forsee 15 hrs of absolute murderous psychopatic bliss.
      Sydney to LA leaves you fit for a padded cell without regard for the yakking.
  • by Ydna (32354) * <(ten.regews) (ta) (werdna)> on Friday October 19 2007, @12:11AM (#21036939) Homepage
    Without interference, eh? Yet another annoyance to deal with while flying: listening to some yammerhead yacking into their phone for the whole flight. I'll show you interference. I'm gonna yank that phone out of your hand and flush it down the toilet. Or tell the crew that the passenger next to me is holding some electrical device next to their head and it has wires sticking out of it and strange lights flashing. And it might be ticking!
  • by OrangeTide (124937) on Friday October 19 2007, @12:14AM (#21036957) Homepage Journal
    I refuse to fly until an airline offers a cell phone free flight. I don't want to sit in a tiny tin can for 4+ hours listening to some dork yapping about god knows what, when there is no possibility of getting away from him.

    If I can't "just walk away" then the only alternative is an ass kicking, and I assume if I punched someone out on a plane they would arrest me on the ground as a terrorists or something.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Second that!

      It's bad enough on trains and busses. Also, I don't think airline staff (that is the flight attentands) will want to mediate the disputes between people loudly yapping on the phone and people who want to sleep quietly. I suspect that till now the airlines were rather thappy to say "the government says you can't use your phone" and not have to worry about this. In the future they'll have to come down on one side or the other.

      • by jamesh (87723) on Friday October 19 2007, @12:45AM (#21037225)
        How about they designate an area where you are allowed to talk on your phone. I suggest on the wing, or on the ground.

        In terms of coming down on one side or the other, if the airline gets a share of the phone revenue, I'll give you one guess as to which side they'll come down on...

        What's really unfair though, is that if you bring a cell phone jammer onto an airoplane, _you_ would be the one to go to jail!
          • Typical loud mouthed moron on BART (SF Bay Area subway):

            LMM: "WHERE YOU AT?"

            LMM: "I'M ON BART"

            LMM: "BART!"

            LMM: "I'M ON BART!"

            LMM: "YES .. NO ..."

            LMM: "I'M ON BART!"

            [Train goes in to tunnel]

            LMM: "HELLO?"

            LMM: "HELLO?"

            LMM: "HELLO?"

            [Repeat N times directly proportional to loudness and stupidness of conversation]
      • When terrorists take over the plane, please make all the cellphone calls you want. Or beat the terrorists with your cellphone, I'd be fine with that.
  • mithra save us (Score:5, Insightful)

    by misanthrope101 (253915) on Friday October 19 2007, @12:25AM (#21037059)
    I'd rather someone be allowed to surf the web next to me, goatse and all, than be allowed to gab on their cell. I even hate it that they can use their cells in the terminals. Why does anyone need to call to say "I'm on the ground now"? Obviously we can't rely on people to be considerate of others, but up till now we could rely on airline restrictions for a little peace. I vote we allow text messages, but no voice messages. Everyone gets to play the quiet game. Shut the hell up.
      • Can't they seen on the monitor that the plane has landed? I've picked up many people from the airport, and never needed a phone call to find out that their plane was on the ground. If I'm not in the airport to look at the monitor, a phone call isn't going to get me there any faster.
        • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

          Parking.

          Very often, the person picking you up will be waiting just off-airport at a safe/sane parking spot, rather than looping around the airport or paying $50 just to park for 15 minutes.

          Back when I was in graduate school I would frequently pick my father up from the airport. Rather than loop around the airport, contributing to traffic 10-20 times, I would park in a small parking lot near the airport and wait for a call. (Similarly, about half the limo drivers picking people up at Newark Airport do the
  • Wait, what? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Beardo the Bearded (321478) on Friday October 19 2007, @12:28AM (#21037077)
    Let me get this straight:

    You can bring on a cell phone, but not an iPod...

    You can bring on a lighter, but not a water bottle...

    You can wear a belt, but you have to remove your shoes...

    Are they just making the rules up randomly or something?
  • The USA will come last on this issue [among the industrialized world], and will demand that all airlines that allow cellphone use on their aircraft while in flight disable their use before entering US space.

    This will be to "protect" and "ensure the highest possible safety regime", reign on US territory at all times; never mind that the southern border is wide open and so is the northern one to some extent.

    Sadly nothing or very little is being done about it.

  • Think about it. People on long haul flights in tiny uncomfortable seats are usually tense, tired and easily pissed off. Having some jerk talking on the phone in the next seat for hours might well be the final straw! That means someone will FINALLY get killed for talking loudly on the cellphone.

    Fox News will have a around the clock news coverage of the incident, and therefore all the idiots out there that don't realize it yet will finally hear the news that it is actually rude to make unwilling bystanders

  • My understanding (of old) is that the primary reason for the ban was not that interference was inevitable, but that not all the myriad makes and models of phones could be adequately tested.

    Maybe they've been doing tests and not finding anything.

    The "pico cell" concept in the FA is interesting - do 2G cellphones normally adjust power output to cell distance / signal strength? Otherwise, the signals from the cells are just as much an issue as before.
  • Earplugs (Score:4, Insightful)

    by feepness (543479) on Friday October 19 2007, @01:02AM (#21037345) Homepage
    Pssst... you can wear them the entire time you're in the airport: http://www.earplugsonline.com/ [earplugsonline.com]

    Those earplugs + noise canceling headphones + a sleeping pill if you want = Transoceanic bliss.

    Throw in a PSP or DS and a movie or two and you are good to go. Just don't forget to bring some spare batteries.
  • likely mobile devices will never be allowed on commercial flights on american airlines, as the government, and therefore the people's will, here has little sway over business practices. airlines dont want you to have portable electronic devices, so you aren't gonna get them. at least not overtly.

    the question then is why, which people seem to think they know. it is most definitely not because they interfere with the flight systems. think about how many hundreds of people are on their cellphone or laptop i
  • 9/11 Anyone? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by anarking (34854) on Friday October 19 2007, @01:50AM (#21037635) Homepage
    Gee... I thought we could already make crystal clear calls from 25,000ft up on cell phones based on the calls from supposed passengers on 9/11!

    Oh wait... someone actually tested that with cell phones and none worked at all...

    Funny isn't it how they were all made through Verizon and how chummy Verizon has been with DHS and the other agencies. hmmmmmm...
  • Well, thanks to the terrorists, these cell phone users will be safe from a little old lady with a hammer [slashdot.org]!
  • without any risk of interference.

    That's "no risk of electromagnetic interference". There is a significant risk of pugilistic interference.
  • I don't care if they allow cell phones on planes that won't be here for 12 hours.
  • by mi (197448) <mi+slashdot@aldan.algebra.com> on Friday October 19 2007, @08:24AM (#21040255) Homepage

    That the "freedom-loving" slashdotters are all — posters and moderators — claiming to be happy, that the big lie [economist.com] of "cell phones may interfere with safety equipment on board" is being used to stop their fellow passengers from using their cell phones on the planes.

    Evidently, the ends justify the means... Lying to millions of travelers to prevent a tiny minority of them from being inconsiderate, while at the same time offering them an option to pay $6/minute for the same sort of inconsideration...

  • by peter303 (12292) on Friday October 19 2007, @09:38AM (#21041437)
    Airlines have found they not reached the limits of annoying passengers yet. Hobbit-size seats, stuffy air, trip-long fasting, long bathroom lines were not enough. Bring on the cell phones!
    • Here's hoping they'll charge ridiculously inflated rates that will keep the majority of people from using this.
    • DEAR GOD NO!!!!

      That was my first reaction. Now, we get to hear three dozen ringtones and three dozens idiots yammering at the top of their voices about three dozen different idiotic things. Although, given how absurd and unreasonable stewardesses tend to be in US airline companies, there will probably be more cancelled flights and tasering incidents aboard commercial aircraft now with so many people talking loudly or telling other people to shut the fuck up. (I know stewardesses can't go around tasering

    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      "You'll never guess where I'm calling from!"
      • by Foobar of Borg (690622) on Friday October 19 2007, @12:14AM (#21036959)

        If some guy next to you is annoying, just ask him nicely to not be.
        So what do you think is the best way to handle some irrational jackass on that horribly enclosed space that is a commercial passenger airliner? I agree with you in general that politely asking someone not to do something that is annoying usually works. After all, some people do things that are annoying that they don't realize are annoying at the time, and if you politely tell them, they will politely cease since they will then realize that they are doing something annoying. *BUT*, there are some people who are complete shits and totally irrational to boot. How does one handle people like that on an airplane? I'm not really sure myself.
        • by QuickFox (311231) on Friday October 19 2007, @01:46AM (#21037611)

          So what do you think is the best way to handle some irrational jackass on that horribly enclosed space that is a commercial passenger airliner?
          The best solution is to allow cellphone usage in the seats at the back of the plane and forbid it in the seats at the front. You choose where to sit depending on your needs and preferences.
          • Cell phones are different because it isn't always the person sitting next to you who initiates the jackassery - other people can call them. Can you honestly ask somebody not to answer their phone if it starts ringing?

            Me? I think this is a terrible move. Air travel is bad enough as it is without having to put up with somebody talking 12 inches from your ear for hours. NOBODY is suffering with the current system.

            If somebody annoys me with a cellphone, ie. it's obvious that it's not an emergency call and they'
      • by Jarjarthejedi (996957) <bookreader13.cox@net> on Friday October 19 2007, @12:21AM (#21037021) Journal
        "If some guy next to you is annoying, just ask him nicely to not be."

        If we lived in a society where people tried to be nice to one another then you'd be right, the rants would be dumb.

        We don't live in such a society.

        It's pretty clear from the way people act with cell phones on the ground that this is going to be an annoying change on airplanes. Who here hasn't seen/interacted with someone who talked excessively loud over their cell? I see (more hear) those people every day, are they magically going to vanish on airplanes? Same goes for people who talk forever.

        We already have passenger's irritating other passengers without care on airplanes. My last flight we had someone who couldn't get a particular movie to play on the (obviously cheap) entertainment system. It was an old movie and (in my opinion) not very good but they kept complaining until the pilot decided to reset the system just to shut the guy up. After the reset he was fine, his movie played. Everyone else started getting random movies and the sound system didn't work but he was quite happy with himself. Add that to the multiple people swinging their luggage about without care while we were on the ground, the guy who went and got something out of his luggage when we were on the final runway, and the person who complained about the food and the trip was a quite unpleasant 9+ hours. Now add on someone talking on a cell phone for the entire trip, they don't even have to be that loud but they, or someone else, is always talking. Tell me, do you want to fly on that airplane?
      • by hedwards (940851) on Friday October 19 2007, @02:02AM (#21037705)
        I don't see why this was modded informative. Cell phones have been a problem for quite a while. I have one myself, and I rarely use it when there are other people present.

        I take it from your post that you don't actually fly ever, because nobody that has been on a plane in the last few years would take those positions.

        I am personally a large man, while I don't have a whole lot of extra flab, I do take up my entire seat, and more if we're talking about a 737. When somebody is taking up more space than is in a seat due to being obese they should be charge for the extra space. I barely fit in a seat as it is, and that's with the shoulders I was born with. I shouldn't have to forfeit any of my space because the person next to me chose to put on a lot of weight.

        You do have a bit of a point with babies, but it is still a miserable way to fly.

        As for the phones, they are basically a menace to any sort of restful flight. The vast majority of cell phone users don't realize that you don't have to yell into them to be heard. I have one myself, and most of the time I can't hear myself and the microphone still picks it up sufficiently for the other party to hear my clearly.

        Limiting the cell phone use on plans to a specific walled off area would be fine by me, but expecting me or the flight attendants to moderate how loud is too loud because people invariably don't care is fundamentally unreasonable.
        • by vtcodger (957785) on Friday October 19 2007, @01:39AM (#21037575)
          Yes, that's correct. Tests in Canada have shown that as altitude increases, the likelyhood of getting a cellular connection drops to about zero. And at jet aircraft speeds, you'd have to switch from cell tower to cell tower much faster than is thought to be possible, so even if you got a connection, you probably couldn't keep it for more than 40 seconds or so.

          I assume that they plan to put a cellular transceiver on the aircraft and use some specialized technology to get the signals from the airplane to the ground -- satellite or some special mode of dealing with ground stations or something.

          Anyway, just when I thought that they couldn't find any more ways on top of miniscule seats with no leg room, long unexplained takeoff delays, intrusive security, losing baggage, scheduling impossible connections, overbooking, and chronically late flights to make airline travel more distasteful, they've come up with this. I rarely do airplanes any more, and the last time I did, it took me something like 36 hours to get from Burlington, VT to Seattle.

        • Let me guess, you think cell phones inside movie theatres is a neat idea too?

          You're a very poor guesser. You just compared watching a movie for couple of hours in your nearby theater, to a Transatlantic travel taking potentially a day or more.

          In which case the ability to keep in contact with someone is more needed? Let me guess...
    • My phone has "airplane" mode where it doesn't transmit/receive, so I can still use it for its camera/music abilities.
       
      On to the more important aspect: I hope this never gets implemented and for the most part I don't think it will. Lots of people like to sleep on planes and won't be able to with others yammering on their phones. Plus there is the extra time and cost for airlines to install the equipment to relay the signals. God only knows what "roaming" means at 38000 ft.
      • by Martin Blank (154261) on Friday October 19 2007, @12:39AM (#21037177) Journal
        I've seen flight attendants get very upset with passengers who swear that their phones are in airplane mode, and who offer to show the current setting. Some of them do not allow for anything that looks like a phone to even appear operational.

        They also miss the wireless notebooks that are operational and probing for their home networks.
      • by shmlco (594907) on Friday October 19 2007, @01:20AM (#21037455) Homepage
        Allow SMS/text messaging only. No voice. Then we can have peace and quiet, and bozo business types who're afraid to be out of touch for an hour or so can still communicate with their underlings.
        • by QuickFox (311231) on Friday October 19 2007, @01:38AM (#21037571)
          My cellphone can be set to emit horribly shrill bleeps at every single keypress. MUAHAHAHAHAHA!
        • Absolute Best Solution I've Heard!

          Seriously, it addresses the two problems and allows both sides their arguements.

          Contact and consideration.
          Why do these solutions escape the multimillion dollar investigation teams assigned to solving these issues?
          • by xaxa (988988) <slashdot.symbiote@eu> on Friday October 19 2007, @05:32AM (#21038779) Homepage
            Many long-distance trains in the UK have a "quiet coach" where they ask people not to use mobile phones, personal stereos, children etc. The difference is, of course, that it's very easy to move from the quiet coach to another one if you need to make a call (or the reverse), not so easy on a plane (more people to climb over, less space).

            Hmm... I wonder how long it'll be before mobile phones can be used in the Channel Tunnel? You're only underground for 20 minutes though (it's 30 miles).
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      Instead of killing them be a bit more creative. Get your phone out and go 'Michael? Hi! Mike! How's Mrs Hayden?, Do me a favour? Pull up the passenger manifest for AA96 and make the guy in 5E disappear will you? Great! Golf tomorrow? Sure! Bye!"

      It'll be one of those low-numbered rows since only people in First and Business class will be able to afford to yak away for a whole long flight. Since you'll be in that class too, don't kill them yourself, get one of your staff to do it.

      If you really are in Sardine