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Businesses Spend 20% of IT Budgets on Security

Posted by samzenpus on Wed Oct 10, 2007 08:21 PM
from the protect-ya-neck dept.
Stony Stevenson writes "Security accounted for 20 percent of technology spending last year and it's expected to rise, according to a report released Tuesday. The Computing Technology Industry Association (CompTIA) surveyed 1,070 organisations and found that on average, they spent one-fifth of their technology budgets on security-related spending in 2006. That's up from the 15 percent of IT budgets spent on security in 2005, and the 12 percent spent in 2004."
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  • by User 956 (568564) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:25PM (#20934997) Homepage
    Security accounted for 20 percent of technology spending last year and it's expected to rise, according to a report released Tuesday ... That's up from the 15 percent of IT budgets spent on security in 2005, and the 12 percent spent in 2004.

    That makes sense. I mean, nerf weapons count as a security expense, right?
  • by jellomizer (103300) * on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:26PM (#20935003)
    I have waisted more time making workarounds these "security fixes" then ever just because they
    want to think they are safe but they never really consider the underlining problems with security.
    90% of the Market is using the SAME FREAKING OS! So they work on blocking legit Web Mail so
    Windows Viruses cant get in. Scanning all attachments to make sure there is no VBScript in Office
    For Windows Documents. Trying to block sites that could possible be considered to have Windows Spyware.

    Stop using freaking Windows all the time. Linux/Mac Workstations with VMWare to load Windows for those
    Windows only apps, Stop wasting time with making Windows Console application and focus on Web Based Apps
    Even if it is with .NET on a Windows Server, which you can run the Apps on any other browser, and OS.

    Of course gust going to a different OS isn't the only solution you need good firewalls and such. But...
    The core of the problem is Windows. Get Rid of Windows or reduce it to more bit parts then your companies
    security is so much better.

    Yes PHB MBA wont get it, they are afraid of doing anything differently then the rest. IT people will resist
    too because they don't know Linux or Macs as well as windows and are not willing to learn. But if you need
    to focus on security you need be different then the rest.

    You need to be flexible so If Macs or Linux becomes insecure (One to many features can cause that problem) then
    your custom apps need to be multi-platform or at least cross compilable to move from one system to an other.
    That is the correct direction for security. Not this Block you from getting you work done stuff.
    • by CaptainPatent (1087643) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:40PM (#20935113) Journal
      Actually, a linux box in the hands of a clueless user can be just as dangerous [slashdot.org] if not more so than a windows box in the same hands.

      The real threat is ignorance here. That includes buying unnecessary security equipment, operating and running the system itself, and improperly using software firewall and routing.
      • Actually, a linux box in the hands of a clueless user can be just as dangerous if not more so than a windows box in the same hands.

        Depends on the distro...I've seen some live CDs that could cause trouble in the hands of a padawan...

        The real threat is ignorance here.

        I'm not so sure. I'm more likely likely to attribute illegal intrusions/Tphtphtph-ware to the weenies engaged in it. I'm not saying it's impossible to accidentally write fast-spreading worms, [wikipedia.org] but I believe it's a wee bit rarer than the intentional sort.

        • by pedestrian crossing (802349) on Thursday October 11 2007, @03:24AM (#20937179) Homepage Journal

          A clueless Admin hosting something maybe. But by default install of Desktop Linux those services that can be cracked if not correctly setup are not running.

          You are taking a very shallow view of security here. Sure, controlling what services are listening is a good first step. But your biggest threat isn't the outside hacker. It's the inside guy. It's being able to -prove- who did what, when.

          A defualt install of Desktop Linux is far more secure and safe then the default install of Windows.

          But once you move beyond that default install, and beyond shutting down unnecessary services, Linux isn't necessarily that "secure". The default install of Linux still has many problems that have to be addressed in order to have a secure system. Of course, so does Windows, but my point is that you cannot just load Linux, turn off services, and think you have anything like a secure system. In fact there are some advisable security requirements that are harder to implement on Linux than on Windows.

          I have secured both to NSA recommended standards, and yes, in general I prefer Linux, but don't fool yourself that any like a default Linux install is inherently secure, especially when it comes to auditing and attribution.

    • In Short... (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Hooya (518216)
      ... Business spend 20% of their IT budgets - but only after spending 80% of the budget on MS software.

      I can't believe business (we currently do) have "hiring/bonus/travel" freeze but don't think twice about spending money on MS Software specifically. I guess better to pay MS employees than your own.
    • by Lobster Quadrille (965591) on Thursday October 11 2007, @12:33AM (#20936501)
      As the head of my company's security department, the problem does not lie with Windows.

      I am no fan of Microsoft- after much fighting with my boss over it, I'm the only person in a mid-sized web design company running Linux on his desktop, but the core problem has nothing to do with Windows- at least not solely.

      The problem comes down to several things:

      Incompetence of users: This is the only place the the end OS really makes a difference, but all in all, I'd rather see the morons using Windows than Linux, just because they are already familiar with it. It's pretty tough to convince the uppers to retrain an entire company. That time and effort could in fact be better spent working on virus protection, network monitoring, etc., which any responsible security team still needs to do.

      Pre-existing infrastructure: Companies start small, usually with the IT department consisting of a guy who sort of knows how to build computers. As the company grows, the infrastructure is forced to expand with it. Generally, this invlolves hacks and patching things together until it reaches a breaking point and a real network engineer is brought in. The problem there is that he still needs to keep everything up and running. You can't exactly take down a network, lead/customer management database, external web applications, etc, rebuild them all from scratch, then move everybody over. If the company can't maintain a baseline of functionality, than a security/network overhaul won't do anybody any good.

      Cluelessness of management: Spending money on security rarely affect's the company's bottom end directly. The only way to get them to take security seriously is to show them what it will cost them to not do so. This isn't as hard as it sounds though- if you can convince upper management to participate in creating company security policy, you can start to show them that A) security involves not just confidentiality, but also availability and integrity of assets- two aspects that are far more critical, particularly in upper management's eyes. B) Protection of those assets is the responsibility of management. Hiring a security guy will do no good unless he has support from the top. When something goes wrong, they may have a patsy, but they suddenly won't have that database of customer information.

      It's nice to hear that companies are spending 20% of IT budgets on security, though I don't believe it. Regardless, there is definitely a positive trend. The companies are starting to realize that security isn't something you can pick up for the price of a firewall and a pentest- it's a cyclical process involving constant auditing, defining and refining processes in all aspects of the company (which is why management support is so critical), and most importantly, fixing problems WITHOUT interrupting the normal flow of business.
  • I call bull (Score:3, Funny)

    by flyingfsck (986395) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:26PM (#20935007)
    Unless they count a UPS, RAID and tape drives as security, there is no way that security can eat up that much of the budget, except maybe if the surveyed all use Windoze...
    • Re:I call bull (Score:5, Informative)

      by teh moges (875080) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:37PM (#20935087) Homepage
      I'm not sure about you, but we (Windows mostly) use email filtering, web content filtering, anti virus and firewalls. Then you have the personal costs of running, maintaining and administering these products (such as releasing false positive emails, updating anti virus). Then I suppose you can count the fact we have a server for WSUS as an ongoing cost. We have very little in the way of wireless networks, but if we did, they would be another cost (more administration then anything).

      When I think about it, it probably isn't 20% of the total expenses, but it would have to be close.
      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by guruevi (827432)
        You must be having an IT person for every 20-50 users or so to support all that crap.

        E-mail filtering: Just some spamfiltering and clamav so we don't propagate virusses in case somebody decides to forward it
        Web content filtering: A big loss in $$$ since every single one of your employees WILL find a way around it which reduces security to even less since they'll be using less controllable techniques while having to look for it on Warez sites (which do have a lot of issues with random virusses etc.)
        Anti-viru
    • except maybe if the surveyed all use Windoze...
      Sadly, that's usually the case.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by jonadab (583620)
      > Unless they count a UPS, RAID and tape drives as security, there is no way that security can eat up
      > that much of the budget, except maybe if the surveyed all use Windoze...

      I'm sure a significant percentage of them use Windows, but what you're probably missing is that a lot of the security stuff that's typically sold to corporations (including, even, firewall solutions) is sold on a subscription basis, so that you have to pay every n (typically, twelve) months just to keep the same level of protecti
    • Unless they count a UPS, RAID and tape drives as security
       
      ...they definitely fit into the FIPS 199 concept of the CIA triad [wikipedia.org], which stands for:
      Confidentiality
      Integrity
      Availability

      UPS and RAID are part of Availability and tape backups (disaster recovery) are considered under both Availability and Integrity.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by arivanov (12034)
      It can.

      AV , Client firewall, Integrity checkers and patch deployment, VPN, Firewall, Compliance, etc in a Windows shop ramp up to somewhere around there. Actually, quite often they are even more.
  • by wizardforce (1005805) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:31PM (#20935047) Journal
    I wonder how much of that spending went to training their employees that "password", "letmein" and lastly "123" are *NOT* the best passwords.
    • by UncleTogie (1004853) * on Wednesday October 10 2007, @09:05PM (#20935329) Homepage Journal

      I wonder how much of that spending went to training their employees that "password", "letmein" and lastly "123" are *NOT* the best passwords.

      Just happened today: The uber-friendly shopkeeper next door asked me to help him void a transaction. When the password prompt came up, he looked at me and simply said, "1-2-3-4-5."

      I couldn't resist. I looked back at him and said, "That's funny. I've got the same combination on my luggage..." [wikiquote.org]

        • It's not so funny when you use the same quote at LEAST twice a day...

          Oh, believe me, I know. I wasn't using the "amusing" connotation of the word "funny". What tore me up was he blurted out his password QUITE loudly... in front of customers. Thank God I trained myself to keep a straight face when I was younger...

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by jonadab (583620)
      > I wonder how much of that spending went to training their employees

      On average, not nearly enough. Employee training practically always gets shortchanged, and I'm not just talking about computer security, or even just about computer technology generally. It's true across the board in most industries.

      Worse, in a lot of industries, the money that _is_ budgetted for employee training gets mostly wasted on worthless nonsense, not spent on the training the employees could actually *use*.
  • by damn_registrars (1103043) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:32PM (#20935053) Journal
    Since we now have a way to track security expenditures, we should have some way to track money spent on anti-spam measures. Considering how well the anti-spam hardware and software sells, I'll venture its a nontrivial expense, as well.

    Even if you're just running some spiffy implementation of spam assasin, it still gets your time at some frequency to update the rules, amongst other things.
  • by Da_Biz (267075) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:36PM (#20935085)
    At some of my consulting client sites, I've been underwhelmed by the quality of their "security analyst" staff. I've found that staff seemed to be more interested in putting their name on boilerplate "best practices" to pass off to others, rather than taking a hands-on, collaborative approach in working with sysadmins to really verify that their systems are secure.

    Don't even get me started on social engineering and how circumventable many secured entry systems are. It's a sad thought that someone posing as a lowly janitor could have free rein in most data centers.

    P.S. Security policy writers: why not start by giving your employees with access to high-security areas a way to disable their keycards 24 hours a day by phone (including some sort of challenge/response question for them to answer)? Simple, inexpensive and effective compared to a lost or stolen keycard falling into the wrong hands.
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      giving your employees with access to high-security areas a way to disable their keycards 24 hours a day by phone

      At my workplace the security people combined the ID card with the RFID access card so now if you lose the RFID card the person who finds it can go directly to our site and walk in.

      • That's why I ran my RFID card through a paper shredder and just call someone to open the door for me whenever I need to get in. If nobody is in the lab, I get security to let me in then. So much more secure!
  • lol (Score:5, Funny)

    by spykemail (983593) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @08:48PM (#20935185) Homepage
    It's the same thing people always do when they screw something up and don't know how to fix it - throw money at it. I love it when IT companies get paid to implement "security" features (speed bumps) then "service" (disable) them. It would be like funding an invasion of a country then paying for the reconstruction of all the shit you just blew up~
    • It would be like funding an invasion of a country then paying for the reconstruction of all the shit you just blew up~

      You forgot the "oh wait ..."
  • and how much of that goes to the likes of Symantec?
  • Hahaha (Score:3, Insightful)

    by foo fighter (151863) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @09:19PM (#20935419) Homepage
    hahahahahaha!

    Twenty percent...

    Oh, that's rich. Oh my. Oh. Hoo!

    Flying Spaghetti Monster, I love surveys and statistics. I've worked in internal security for the past couple years at a big accounting firm and as a security consultant for many years before this.

    Everyone knows they should be doing more to stay secure, but that fact is security doesn't do anything obviously positive for the bottom line. It's like flossing: most people floss when they have some chicken stuck between their molars but they don't do it every night. (Little tip for everyone trying to get money for security: give up on ROI; sell it like you're selling an insurance policy.)

    When CIOs or CISOs get these surveys they fluff the numbers because they know they are supposed to be secure even if they have a hard time justifying security spending to the Board. "Oh yeah, we spent $X on Security. That's about 15-25% of our IT budget." What they don't say is that number includes the payroll (including salary, benefits, and payroll taxes) of all IT staff that have anything to do with security, audit, or regulatory compliance.

    Contrast that with asking them what they spent on email they'd probably tell you about their Exchange license fees and maybe some server hardware. They'll leave out staffing costs, retention software and SAN, etc.

    My guess is that the average IT budget is spending maybe -- MAYBE -- 10% on security, audit, and compliance related expenses.

    I will admit here that I didn't RTFA. If the survey population was mostly US-based publicly traded companies that fall under SOX regulations the 20% number is a tiny bit more believable because CFOs and CEOs don't want to go to jail based on a fuckup by a minimum wage (in their frame of reference) IT staffer.

    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      Security is a subset of IT, and IT as a whole is not a profit-center ... it's an operating expense. Now, what is it that most execs try to do with operating expenses?
        • Re:Hahaha (Score:5, Insightful)

          by ScrewMaster (602015) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @09:58PM (#20935635)
          And you so absofuckinglutely missed the point it's almost hard to bother replying. You seem confused about the term "profit center" which has a very specific meaning in most businesses. I didn't say that advanced technology was useless or doesn't help industry: I've been an industrial software developer for damn near thirty of those years, so there's no reason to get testy. I suspect you're just being deliberately obtuse so's you can use the word "absofuckinglutely". Good for you. If you'd actually grasped what I was trying to say, you'd have understood that I was referring to the perspective of the suits running a company, not the utility of information technology in general.

          Look, you run a company. How do you see the world? You see it in terms of money coming in ... and money going out. Those guys on the production floor making product? Money coming in. That programmer cranking out code for the latest release of the company's premier software product? Money coming in. That's what the corporate executive sees as a "profit making center", and that's how I defined it.

          Now, let's take a look at some other internal functions in any company:

          Sales & Marketing? Not a profit center, but without it there'll be no profits, plus which suits understand those departments. They generally haven't a clue how design and production work.

          Accounting? Not a profit center ... but even a suit sees that as money well spent so he can see how much money he has accumulated. Besides, there are numerous laws which require compliance.

          Customer support? Not a profit center. "Too bad our drain-bamaged customers can't handle all their own problems, we'd save a bundle. No, we're not going to upgrade the call center, matter of fact we're shipping it to India next month. Start training Habib here ... he's replacing you."

          Internal IT department? Not a profit center. "Too bad all those stupid people that work for us can't handle their own problems. We'd save a bundle. Also, you gotta watch those IT guys, always wanting to spend our money on the latest fancy computer toys."

          So far as external threats are concerned ... who cares? "What? You want me to authorize 250 grand for security upgrades to fend off potential threats? Forget it, I'd have to reduce our bonuses this year and that sure ain't gonna happen ... here's fifty K and you're lucky to get that. Besides, I don't understand all this "black hat" "white hat" shit. What's a firewall, anyway? I think my car has one. My dog had worms once."

          That's what I'm talking about. I'm sorry if you're an IT guy and took offense, but the facts are clear: IT and its very important offshoot, network security are simply not in the average PHBs top ten list of important areas to spend money. There are some corporations that get it, and make themselves into hard targets, but not enough. Not nearly enough. Part of the problem is that good security is more a matter of good people that it is good equipment.
          • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

            by SL Baur (19540)
            Well put.

            Part of the problem is that good security is more a matter of good people that it is good equipment.
            And the other parts you laid out pretty nicely.
  • by Dirtside (91468) on Wednesday October 10 2007, @09:45PM (#20935551) Journal
    The trickiest thing about security is that there's no reliable way to tell for sure whether it's worked or not. Any security system can be defeated by a properly designed attack, although for a given system this may never happen if there's no one who has both the resources and desire to defeat it.

    But the trick is, a sufficiently well-planned attack can defeat security without anyone knowing it happened. So you can't really rely on a count like the number of detected intrusions (whether they were thwarted or not). The result of this fact is that there's a huge amount of crosstalk about "best practices" and what's Good Security and what's not. You could have a system that tracks N intrusions per year, and thwarts them all, but if there were 2N intrusions that were not detected (let alone thwarted)... you go around claiming you've got great security, but do you really?

    This doesn't mean we shouldn't try to have security, obviously, but it does mean that security is a giant, tricky grey area.
    • Host based security is tricky because if the host is compromised, a good attacker will cover their tracks. It's harder, maybe even impossible, to cover your tracks when you are dealing with something transparent on the network, like a bump in the wire.

      Detecting an attack is easier to do then thwarting an attack, and obviously so. What is sad is that many IT types would rather not even know about attacks because then they are liable. Ignorance, even in IT, is bliss.

      I once tested a network monitor that I
  • I probably shouldn't admin this for fear of making my workplace look like an attractive target, but DAMN, there is no way that anything even remotely close to 20% of our IT budget is spent on security. I'd be surprised if it was 2%.
  • At first glance 20% sounds really high, but once you think about what could be mixed in with security, I'd believe 20%. No, it shouldn't be that high, but thanks to the great Internet thing, that's what we get.
  • ...plugging holes in Windows
  • by MadMidnightBomber (894759) on Thursday October 11 2007, @02:51AM (#20937049)
    "If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, then you will be hacked," [Richard] Clarke said during his keynote address. "What's more, you deserve to be hacked."
  • Honesty? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Speed Pour (1051122) on Thursday October 11 2007, @05:41AM (#20937799)
    Crazy question...since nobody else has bothered to ask it...is it possible that the average company feels they will appear more "privacy responsible" by claiming to spend a huge portion on security?

    Somehow I'm picturing companies answering surveys with 20%, stock investors are probably hearing 2%-5%, and the people who actually make decisions are really putting in about 7%-12%.
  • Y2K Redux (Score:3, Insightful)

    by bstarrfield (761726) on Thursday October 11 2007, @07:13AM (#20938265)

    Seems to me that we're seeing another Y2k scenario - there is a real issue, and let's all overreact. Y2K was a profitable business for many consulting firms, contractors, and software vendors. The Y2K situation was something that needed to be addressed but by scaring C-level executives there's great profit to be made!

    Read one of the security journals, look at the marketing hype coming out of Symantec, McAfee, and any number of security consulting firms - the primary message is fear. Fear of some unquantifiable buggiman come to get your precious data. Precious little data on how many monsters are out to get your data, but you best be afraid. And I agree - there is reason to be concerned, but no reason to be hysterical and dedicate one fifth of your IT budget to the nebulous Security functions.

    How many of these security consultants are brand new? How many are receiving certifications from the very same groups that are attempting to promote the opinion that there's a security crisis? Can you fix security problems yourself, within your own firm? Damn likely. Many IT groups underestimate their abilities (or their senior managers do), and outsource a job that could, perhaps, be done better in house.

    I realize that we can't ignore the security issue, just as we couldn't ignore Y2K. But hysterically throwing money onto the problem won't solve the problem either. Don't waste your money if you can avoid it. Don't just fall for the drama of the moment if at all possible

    • How much of any amount that anyone spends on anything is "worth it"?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      Do these firms spend these security dollars properly or do they just do as recommended by whichever software/analyst group wants to sell them more software/and or information on holes? How much of the $$$ designated forward security is worth it?

      Insightful question.

      Managers and the clueless (obviously not mutually exclusive sets!) are always looking for a "security product", the silver bullet.

      The reality is that security is a process, not a product. You have to incorporate it into your policies, plans an

    • Keeping your faulty code as far from the eyes of competent software engineers as possible only leaves black hats to play with it? Who knew!
    • Yes, because no [wikipedia.org] malware [wikipedia.org] exists [wikipedia.org] on [wikipedia.org] any [wikipedia.org] other [wikipedia.org] systems [wikipedia.org]
      • by dbIII (701233)
        Obviously it does but it's pretty rare. The current danger is bored script kiddies and spammers that want to own as many boxes as possible in a short time. MS Windows is the soft target for these people, paticularly the hobby version and not the server version. While dictionary attacks work on other systems if the box has unfirewalled ssh with bad choices of usernames and passwords (and passwords instead of keys) it is slow even then and hopefully boring. Even when they get in they still need to ecscala
        • In the time they take to get a poorly secured *nix box they could have taken over dozens of badly set up MS Windows boxes.

          That's to be expected. Given the market share disparity, even if every other factor was equivalent [0], you would still expect to see at least ca. 40:1 "pwnership ratio".

          [0] And they're not. Without even bringing technical aspects into the discussion, Windows is already at a serious disadvantage to Linux in terms of "security" because if its user demographic.

            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by drsmithy (35869)

              A common misconception but easily corrected by paying attention.

              Anyone who doesn't think market share is a significant contributor to a product's "security record", is a fool blinded by zealotry. There are so many critical aspects of "security" that are related to market share, it's simply an inescapable factor.

              The Apache vs Microsoft ISS example where market share is skewed in the opposite direction shows the market share thing is either a feeble excuse or complete and utter marketing bullshit.

              Those

        • Script kiddies and spammers are easy to deal with, they are the least of your problems. Your biggest problems are the pros, the insiders, your users, God, and Murphy.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by SCHecklerX (229973)
      It's more because infrastructure 'security' has been commoditized. You now by a product to do this, another to do that, etc. What management doesn't get is that security is a process, and good security does not equal buying a bunch of commodity products. We can do without them, but most companies would rather pay consultants and vendors than listen to their own security analyst staff who have likely already given the managment 10 different ways to mitigate vulnerability to specific threats, but it only b