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Classified US Intel Budget Revealed Via Powerpoint

Posted by CmdrTaco on Mon Jun 11, 2007 09:05 AM
from the woops-they-did-it-again dept.
Atario writes "In a holdover from the Cold War when the number really did matter to national security, the size of the US national intelligence budget remains one of the government's most closely guarded secrets. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the highest intelligence agency in the country that oversees all federal intelligence agencies, appears to have inadvertently released the keys to that number in an unclassified PowerPoint presentation now posted on the website of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). By reverse engineering the numbers in an underlying data element embedded in the presentation, it seems that the total budget of the 16 US intelligence agencies in fiscal year 2005 was $60 billion, almost 25% higher than previously believed."
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  • by ReidMaynard (161608) * on Monday June 11 2007, @09:08AM (#19464845) Homepage
    These are not the budget numbers you are looking for..
  • by jeffs72 (711141) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:08AM (#19464849) Journal
    This is good proof that security through obscurity doesn't work.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by dave1791 (315728)
      From TFA, it soundly like somebody forgot to strip the hidden data.

      It's been taken down though, slashdotted before the first post even...
      • by Shakrai (717556) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:44AM (#19465329) Journal

        From TFA, it soundly like somebody forgot to strip the hidden data.

        This right here is proof as far as I'm concerned that anybody who seriously thinks that the US Government staged 9/11, shot down TWA 800, killed JFK or faked the Apollo landings really needs to have their head examined.

        Seriously. This seems like the third or forth story along these lines in as many weeks. Recall the Coalition Provisional Authority leaks because somebody couldn't disable the previous versions feature of word. And now this?

        I'm sorry, but our Government is too incompetent to manage any of the things above. I kinda wish they were in a way... then maybe Iraq wouldn't be such a mess, Katrina would have been handled correctly and 9/11 wouldn't have happened.

        • by mgblst (80109) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:11AM (#19465729) Homepage
          This right here is proof as far as I'm concerned that anybody who seriously thinks that the US Government staged 9/11, shot down TWA 800, killed JFK or faked the Apollo landings really needs to have their head examined.
           
          Except that the "mistakes" like these are done by the government, so that you would think exactly that. You have just fallen into their trap!

          Not really, but your logic makes about as much sense as the conspiracy theorists. Just because one idiot who works for the government screwed up, doesn't imply anything about other people, and other agencies? Why would it? Just like saying someone working for one company screwed up, so all companies must be incompetent, and have been for 40 years? Do you not think that sounds screwy as well?
        • by turing_m (1030530) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:17AM (#19465797)
          Obviously you've never heard of Operation Mincemeat then. You know, the one where the Allies put fake landing plans on a dead guy left to wash up on a Spanish beach.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mincemeat [wikipedia.org]

          If they can successfully go to those lengths, how hard is it to accidentally-on-purpose leave some bogus figures in a Powerpoint presentation?
        • by plague3106 (71849) on Monday June 11 2007, @11:44AM (#19466945)
          This right here is proof as far as I'm concerned that anybody who seriously thinks that the US Government staged 9/11, shot down TWA 800, killed JFK or faked the Apollo landings really needs to have their head examined.

          Right... because some office worker is dumb (or simply didn't know the need to strip the data), it then follows that EVERYONE in the government is just as dumb / incompetent.

          Very good logic there.
      • by LWATCDR (28044) on Monday June 11 2007, @11:03AM (#19466433) Homepage Journal
        I don't use PowerPoint so I wonder. Is there a command to "strip the hidden data"?
        Do you have to go into a binary editor and see the data?
        Seems to me that this shows the dangers of a proprietary file format.
        Will the US Government now have to comb through nasty binary formats to check what data is retained and what data isn't?
        It would be nice if these file formats where open and documented wouldn't? Sure would make doing security checks on the files a lot simpler.
        Just some food for thought.
            • by ericlondaits (32714) on Monday June 11 2007, @11:48AM (#19467015) Homepage
              No, it's not a problem with office programs, it's a problem with the idea that "What you see is all there is". I remember a while back someone attempted to blank out portions of a PDF document by giving lines of black text a black background... which of course didn't remove the confidential data from the file, just prevented naive users from seeing it.
            • by h2g2bob (948006) on Monday June 11 2007, @11:56AM (#19467127) Homepage
              Depends what you mean - MS Office and OpenOffice have some pretty advanced features like spreadsheet formulas, cross references, tracking revisions of documents, using special characters, breaks and nonbreaking spaces, and integrating with external data (eg mail merge). I don't think it's easy at all.
  • Stargate (Score:5, Funny)

    by d3ac0n (715594) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:09AM (#19464863)
    Well, they have to fund the Stargate program SOMEHOW don't they? Why not take the money from an agency that nobody would suspect of being involved? :)
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Aranykai (1053846)
      No no, your all wrong. They funded SG project with all the money they siphoned from NASA when they faked the moon landings. Any REAL nerd would know that...
    • Re:Stargate (Score:5, Interesting)

      by fm6 (162816) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:35AM (#19465201) Homepage Journal
      I thought the Stargate program pays for itself (indeed, even turns a profit) by selling off all the technology they brought back.

      I've always been amused by the premise of this franchise. It comes from one a (supposedly) non-fiction book called The Stargate Conspiracy, which claims that a secret cabal is bringing back alien technology through a portal dug up in Egypt, and trading it for money and power. The amusing thing is that the TV show makes the same people who were the evil conspirators in the book into the good guys!
      • Re:Stargate (Score:4, Insightful)

        by Malakusen (961638) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:39AM (#19466065) Journal

        The amusing thing is that the TV show makes the same people who were the evil conspirators in the book into the good guys!


        Well, if you were behind the evil conspiracy revealed in that book, wouldn't something like this be the ideal way to defuse the book and its accusations?

        Duh
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 11 2007, @09:09AM (#19464879)
  • by daveschroeder (516195) * on Monday June 11 2007, @09:10AM (#19464903)
    The intelligence community is so large and diverse, that it is literally quite possible that the government itself didn't know how much money was spent on "intelligence".

    Not because of incompetence, corruption, waste, or secrecy - though all those are certainly elements to varying degrees - but in reality because of the wide variety of agencies and activities that fall under the guise of "intelligence" [intelligence.gov].

    The article itself notes, correctly:

    This top line $60 billion figure is 25% above the estimated $48 billion budget for FY 08. It is quite probable that this total figure was not even known by the government until recently. Greater control and oversight of the Intelligence Community budget was a hallmark of the Intelligence Reform Act of 2004 that created the position of the Director of National Intelligence and gave it the mandate to get an overview of the entire amount spent on intelligence government-wide. To this end, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence has recently gathered all parts of the previously fragmented Intelligence Community budget together for the first time as part of its Intelligence Resource Information System (IRIS). In the report from the Select Senate Committee on Intelligence released last Thursday, the committee praised the Office of the Director of Intelligence for creating a "single budget system called the Intelligence Resource Information System." It also recognizes their efforts in helping create what "will be used for further inquiry by the Committee's budget and audit staffs and will be a baseline that allows the Congress and DNI to derive trend data from future reports."

    Earlier, lower estimates were most likely only included what fell directly under the Director of Central Intelligence and which would have omitted parts of NSA, NRO. A total Intelligence Community number, with the Intelligence Community as defined by 50 U.S.C. 401a(4), would also now include the various military intelligence services (e.g. Army Intel, Navy Intel, etc.), each with its respective weapon technology intelligence exploitation shop. A total budget would also include a large portion of the budget of the Department of Homeland Security which was previously fragment across multiple government agencies. A $60 billion government-wide Intelligence Community budget is not at all out of line with the post 9/11 organizational reality. It seems that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is just now getting a clear picture of the fragmented intelligence community budget.


    When you're dealing with sixteen separate agencies, including elements from the Department of Defense, to say something like "intelligence budget" is almost meaningless. What's pure intelligence? What's national defense? What is a mix? In fact, it often comes down to what some particular task or program is "anointed" by management. Different areas get reorganized and shuffled into different organizational structures. To say nothing of the fact that the addition of DHS to the Intelligence Community was the largest government reorganization in over a half-century, since the creation of the Department of Defense and CIA by the National Security Act of 1947.

    Shuffle more, and you can probably make the "intelligence" budget appear lower. But the truth is that "it seems that the Office of the Director of National Intelligence is just now getting a clear picture of the fragmented intelligence community budget."

    And that should be a good thing.

    On a different note, revealing classified or sensitive information by improper handling of technology solutions is a perennial problem, and it still floors me that the vetting and release process doesn't properly capture things like this (though they've gotten MUCH better).
      • by daveschroeder (516195) * on Monday June 11 2007, @10:41AM (#19466085)
        Question is, does it include the recent trend of outsourcing intelligence work ?

        Um, yes, that's what this entire issue is about.

        The blog that contains this article [thespywhobilledme.com] is called "The Spy Who Billed Me: Outsourcing the War on Terror", and the presentation itself [fas.org] is titled "Procuring the Future", and is entirely dedicated to contractors and contract acquisition, and the fact that the IC couldn't function or do its job without the variety of speciality contractors and services. The way the IC budget was "deduced" was by seeing dollars spent on contractors, and the knowledge that constituted "70%" of spending.

        Yeah, the contract issue in general is one of concern, but, like all things, it's not simply "good" or "bad"; it has benefits, drawbacks, advantages, and problems, and the key is proper management of such resources. Keep in mind that all contractor issues aren't "outsourcing" in the way some like to think: it includes all manner of acquisition of capabilities and services, which also necessarily includes labor.
  • Compared to? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Scrameustache (459504) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:11AM (#19464917) Homepage Journal
    60 billion huh?

    Does anyone know how much that budget was back in 2000?
    • RTFA ! (Score:5, Informative)

      by alexhs (877055) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:50AM (#19465417) Homepage Journal
      70 % of the budget from FY95 to FY06 (up to August 31), in tens of millions of dollars,
      third column for 100% :

      95 1850 2643
      96 1950 2786
      97 1800 2571
      98 1775 2536
      99 2150 3071
      00 1754 2506
      01 2170 3100
      02 3140 4486
      03 4203 6004
      04 4049 5784
      05 4200 6000
      06 3964 5663

      So, from 1995 to 2005, an increase of 227%, correspondig to an annual increase of 8,5%.
      And, from 2000 to 2005, an increase of 239%, corresponding to an annual increase of 19,1%.
      • Re:RTFA ! (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Scrameustache (459504) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:08AM (#19465691) Homepage Journal

        70 % of the budget from FY95 to FY06 (up to August 31), in tens of millions of dollars,
        third column for 100% :
        So, between 25 to 30 before 9-11, and then between 55 and 60 after.

        Basically, their budget doubled as a result.
        Thanks for RTFA and giving me the bit I wanted :)
  • by astrashe (7452) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:13AM (#19464931) Journal
    I sort of feel like this is telling us stuff we ought to know anyway.

    • Re:Quote from ID4 (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Shakrai (717556) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:49AM (#19465407) Journal

      You don't actually think they spend $20,000.00 on a hammer, $30,000.00 on a toilet seat do you?

      Well, yeah, they actually probably do, but only in no-bid contracts awarded to whatever company the Director of the Federal agency requesting the contract worked for previously. ;)

      • Re:Quote from ID4 (Score:5, Informative)

        by u-bend (1095729) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:01AM (#19465589) Homepage Journal
        Couple of points on your post:
        1. How right you are about the no-bid, money-wasting thing--it's happening right now in Iraq, where millions have been wasted and in many cases, little reconstruction to show for it [coastalpost.com] (sorry about the Coastal Post link--it was in major news publications a couple of weeks ago, but this is the most relevant recent hit in a Google News "Bechtel Iraq" search).
        2. Isn't it sad that you have to say "probably," because in so many cases, it seems like these huge taxpayer decisions are made without anyone knowing about them?
  • by tkrotchko (124118) * on Monday June 11 2007, @09:22AM (#19465045) Homepage
    The only people this was a secret from was the American people.

    Every government on earth (and the "bad guys" as well), knew the size of the budget. Or did someone think Putin was going to look at this powerpoint, smack his forehead with his hand and say "ah ha! now I know!"?
    • by SuperBanana (662181) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:03AM (#19465617)

      The only people this was a secret from was the American people.

      It's important to remember that $60BN doesn't spend itself, and it doesn't spend itself in small numbers. A whole lot of Americans knew that a whole lot of money was being spent on (essentially) nothing. It's also important to remember that this money mostly goes to defense contractors, and most of that goes to the upper management. Make no mistake: the rich don't spend in proportion to their income. They hoard. This money is being turned into silver spoons for a whole lot of terrorism-profiteers.

      Fun trivia: $60BN is enough to give *every* child and adult in the US $200; about half a week's wages for people working minimum wage (before the roughly 1/3rd that goes to taxes, of course.)

      It's enough to employ (are you sitting down?) one point two MILLION people in $50k/year jobs.

      Now sit there and explain to me why New Orleans is still a disaster area, why 10 million kids in the US don't get enough food to eat, ~1% of the population (3.5 million people) is homeless (third of those are children), and why poor residents living in New England have their federal assistance for home heating cut.

      This nation's spending priorities are so out of whack it is abhorrent.

      • by Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:22AM (#19465863)
        Fun trivia: $60BN is enough to give *every* child and adult in the US $200; about half a week's wages for people working minimum wage (before the roughly 1/3rd that goes to taxes, of course.) ... Now sit there and explain to me why New Orleans is still a disaster area, why 10 million kids in the US don't get enough food to eat ...

        Because, sir, if you give a man $200, you feed him for half a week. If you keep up the hegemony status of that man's nation, and use a successful war to spur on the economy (as successful wars always do), you feed him for a lifetime. Remember that although there may be poverty in America, there is nothing resembling an actual humanitarian crisis due to an outright failure of the economy to sell food where it's needed - and there will never be one, so long as America remains the superpower.

        As a Louisiana resident, I know the Katrina disaster response was woefully inadequate and an embarrassment to our nation. But that isn't to say that the federal government should have any role in the long-term rebuilding of the city. The worst thing New Orleans, or in fact anywhere, could have is handouts. All they do is provide a source of capital that nobody can compete with, and therefore nobody bothers to work towards restoring an economy.
        • by Hatta (162192) on Monday June 11 2007, @02:09PM (#19468573) Journal
          Because, sir, if you give a man $200, you feed him for half a week.

          WTF are you eating? I spend $80 a week at the grocery store, and split that with my SO. That's including meat every night, and 2 or 3 6 packs of nice beer. You really need to re-examine your eating habits.
  • Name that quote (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Snowgen (586732) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:22AM (#19465051) Homepage
    "...a regular statement and account of receipts and expenditures of all public money shall be published from time to time."
  • That's it?!? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by hanshotfirst (851936) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:24AM (#19465073)

    Only $60B ???!!!

    Personally, I'd rather see us spend $120B on intelligence and get it RIGHT than only spend $60B and get it WRONG and end up going to war based on that faulty intelligence at a price tag of $82B up-front and more annually!

    Politics and loss of life aside, it's just better economics!

    • Re:That's it?!? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by spellraiser (764337) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:34AM (#19465197) Journal

      Personally, I'd rather see us spend $120B on intelligence and get it RIGHT than only spend $60B and get it WRONG and end up going to war based on that faulty intelligence at a price tag of $82B up-front and more annually!

      It's been said before, but I guess I need to say it again: There was absolutely nothing wrong with the intelligence. The Bush administration just didn't care whether Iraq had WDMs or not (nor whether they had any links with Al-Qaida, etc.); they decided to invade, and so they did. All the 'intelligence' they submitted to justify their decision beforehand was stuff that the intelligence agencies had rejected as false or inaccurate again and again. That they say that the intelligence was bad afterwards is only adding insult to injury.

      • Re:That's it?!? (Score:5, Insightful)

        by turing_m (1030530) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:02AM (#19465603)
        "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

        -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

        Of course, a Powerpoint presentation on WMD rarely goes astray.
  • Misinformation (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Aaron England (681534) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:31AM (#19465159)
    Whenever the government gives us information, we assume deception. Whenever we "discover" information, we assume truth. Perhaps I'm the only individual who realizes this, and no one would ever betray the public's trust by purposefully planting misinformation which would lead the public to believe they have uncovered truth. Or perhaps not.
  • by Proudrooster (580120) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:32AM (#19465165) Homepage
    On Slide #6, "Megatrends" and how that the "old hotness" for "non-core functions" was "in-house" but now that we are in the 21st century, the new hotness is "OUTSOURCED"! I wonder if they outsourced the making of this presentation :) Also, if you note the "Work Environemnt" row, you will see the transition from "Dedicated" to "Virtual, Telecommuting" which means more DIA laptops will be floating around, getting ripped off, and exposing the DIA to even more leaks. With this DIA strategy and demonstrated incomptence, China's expanded cyberweapons programs will have the information in hand before the President/Congress get to hear it in their briefings. Security is an illusion.
  • by tehwebguy (860335) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:37AM (#19465249) Homepage
    I guess there weren't any basic tutorials on computer security in that budget
  • Ho Hum (Score:5, Funny)

    by fm6 (162816) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:41AM (#19465313) Homepage Journal
    Back in the 60s there was a popular story (probably an urban legend, but still a good story) about a realtor in McLean, VA, who needed to do a report on how many people worked in the area. That would include CIA headquarters. The CIA refused to release any figures — it's a national secret! So the guy called up the Soviet embassy, which was happy to provide the data he needed.

    Secrecy, often as not, is less about keeping the bad guys in the dark than about avoiding public scrutiny.
  • by BlackCobra43 (596714) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:52AM (#19465445)
    Ladies and gentlemen, for the good of our nation, for our security..we must outlaws Powerpoint. Then, only criminals will use it in order to bore each other to tears. Two birds with one stone!
  • by dmccarty (152630) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:06AM (#19465653)

    News organizations constantly report million and billion dollar budgets without providing context. On the radio and on TV, for example, the announcer usually takes exceptional care to pause, then spit out the word as if it's a death-defying number: billion.

    No one even *knows* what a billion is. Can you conceptualize one billion things? I don't know what a billion is. I can't even fathom it. Anyone who tells you they can is lying. All we know is that a billion is more than a million and less than a trillion.

    So, for context, that $60,000,000,000 dollars that was mentioned was for the USA 2005 budget, which was about $2,400,000,000,000.* That's only 2.5% of the budget, and if you're a citizen of the US you'd better hope and pray that your country is spending at least 2% of the budget on intelligence in these times.

    * See, you had to think about it for a second to figure out how big that number is. (In newsspeak, that's $2.4 TRILLLLLIIIIONNNN)

    • conceptualization (Score:4, Insightful)

      by rodentia (102779) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:45AM (#19466161)
      Can you conceptualize one billion things?

      A billion things is a thousand millions of things. The decimal orders of magnitude, scientific notation and other notation systems have been developed precisely to represent such large numbers. This is sufficient to allow for some pretty significant conclusions to be drawn about a billion in relation to other numbers.

      When you say conceptualize, I think you mean count.
    • Re:I knew it (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Marcion (876801) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:14AM (#19464943) Homepage Journal
      Funnily enough for the first few seconds I read it as Intel computers, bit of a bad choice of abbreviation for a Tech website, next story will be "EU bans AMD", referring to acid mine drainage no doubt.
    • Re:I knew it (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Shakrai (717556) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:46AM (#19465361) Journal

      I have always been saying that MS products have no place in government

      Yes, because this is all Microsoft's fault. It has nothing to do whatsoever with the incompetence of the person/people who created this Powerpoint show and left classified data in the version that was released to the public.

      If only the Feds were using an open-source solution. An open-source slide show program would have been smart enough to realize that they left classified data in the document and would have alerted them prior to the document being released to the public.

        • Re:I knew it (Score:5, Insightful)

          by toleraen (831634) on Monday June 11 2007, @10:03AM (#19465613)
          That's funny, because I can open up PowerPoint and select "Remove Hidden Data", which coincidentally enough is a feature I pulled from Microsoft's site. It does a fantastic job of removing all that hidden data, too. This is pure user error in not using this function; it has absolutely nothing to do with Microsoft versus OSS.
    • Re:I knew it (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Random BedHead Ed (602081) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:59AM (#19465551) Homepage Journal

      I have always been saying that MS products have no place in government. This is a glaring example of why.

      No, while I'd usually agree with you, this is a glaring example of why more people in government should use MS products. Can we get PowerPoint installed on more desktops in the Justice Department?

    • by Himring (646324) on Monday June 11 2007, @09:37AM (#19465251) Homepage Journal
      Because government people are still people and they, and you and I -- and everyone -- are stupid.... I try to be careful in my old age anymore with judging, blaming and thinking others are stupider. I've got waaay too many screwups on my record to talk. It is simply a matter of time before you (or me) has our next big stupid moment in finances, love, work, etc. Just because they work for the government doesn't mean they are different or better or worse. Probably one of the best arguments against vast and complex conspiracies is simply that: that people in any conspiracy are just stupid people like me and you.

      To quote Bullet Tooth Tony:

      "Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity...."

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by CompCons (650700)
      Bush may do alot of things wrong... but are you really trying to blame him for some low level moron releasing a powerpoint presentation? This is not an offense that requires big heads to roll. This is a problem that requires (possibly) one or two grunts to be fired. Shit happens, you can't stop every mistake. The important thing is how it's handled and frankly, I don't think it SHOULD be a matter of public knowledge how this is handled. Maybe the guy gets a mark on his record, maybe he gets fired, maybe the