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EBay Hacker's Conviction Upheld

Posted by Zonk on Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:03 AM
from the watch-your-back-out-there dept.
An anonymous reader writes "The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled in the case of Jerome Heckenkamp, the former University of Wisconsin student convicted of federal computer crime charges in 2004 after hacking into Qualcomm, Cygnus Solutions and other companies, and defacing eBay. Heckenkamp was caught after a system administrator at the university hacked into his Linux box to gather evidence that Heckenkamp had been attacking the college mail server. The court ruled today that such counter-hacks are allowable under the 'special needs' exception to the Fourth Amendment, and upheld the warrantless search."
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  • Correct decision (Score:5, Insightful)

    by daveschroeder (516195) * on Friday April 06 2007, @10:05AM (#18634377)
    The University was not acting as law enforcement, as an agent of law enforcement, or at the behest of law enforcement, and thus is expressly and explicitly not covered by, or even related to, the Fourth Amendment.

    The University acted to mitigate and prevent further intrusions, the scale of which were as yet unknown, into critical University servers and infrastructure upon which tens of thousands of people and many diverse University functions depend.

    If you hack University servers from your computer (or even if the computer is being used a zombie), and then take steps to hide your identity or otherwise conceal your activities, your network access will be removed, such removal will be actively enforced and verified, and any immediate actions required to protect the security and integrity of the University network and computing resources will be taken.

    Academic, legal, and possible criminal action will then follow, as warranted. These were exigent circumstances, and not done under the guise of law enforcement, but rather the protection of critical university resources from activities clearly and explicitly disallowed by numerous University information technology, housing, academic, and general policies (not to mention various federal and state laws).

    Also, while we're on this topic, if the situation were reversed, I can imagine slashdotters would hardly call the equivalent situation a "hack" (i.e., "the university hacked into his Linux box"). Using the typical logic, he apparently didn't protect his machine well enough, so it's okay, right? Oh, but he's on the malicious side, so he's right, and the University trying to protect itself, from someone violating just about every University policy with no expectation of privacy on the network of a public research university, is wrong?

    Let me know when you people get your stories straight.

    And please, RTFA:

    Here, Savoy provided extensive testimony that he was acting to secure the Mail2 server, and that his actions were not motivated by a need to collect evidence for law enforcement purposes or at the request of law enforcement agents. ... The integrity and security of the campus e-mail system was in jeopardy. Although Savoy was aware that the FBI was also investigating the use of a computer on the university network to hack into the Qualcomm system, his actions were not taken for law enforcement purposes. Not only is there no evidence that Savoy was acting at the behest of law enforcement, but also the record indicates that Savoy was acting contrary to law enforcement requests that he delay action.

    Under these circumstances, a search warrant was not necessary because Savoy was acting purely within the scope of his role as a system administrator. Under the university's policies, to which Heckenkamp assented when he connected his computer to the university's network, Savoy was authorized to "rectif[y] emergency situations that threaten the integrity of campus computer or communication systems[,] provided that use of accessed files is limited solely to maintaining or safeguarding the system." Savoy discovered through his examination of the network logs, in which Heckenkamp had no reasonable expectation of privacy, that the computer that he had earlier blocked from the network was now operating from a different IP address, which itself was a violation of the university's network policies.

    This discovery, together with Savoy's earlier discovery that the computer had gained root access to the university's Mail2 server, created a situation in which Savoy needed to act immediately to protect the system. Although he was aware that the FBI was already seeking a warrant to search Heckenkamp's computer in order to serve the FBI's law enforcement needs, Savoy believed that the university's separate security interests required immediate action. Just as requiring a warrant to investigate potential student drug use would disrupt operation of a high school ... requiring a warran
    • Fantastic post. Frankly, the thread should end right here.
    • Re:Correct decision (Score:5, Interesting)

      by stecoop (759508) * on Friday April 06 2007, @10:23AM (#18634635) Journal
      You forgot to add that Odds are that the 9th Circuit will get overturned...AGAIN!

      Can you guarantee that the System Admin didn't plant the evidence or the evidence was otherwise compromised? Well, now here is the problem, since you said you can guarantee it, that anyone that is called a System Admin is now allowed to plant evidence and vigilantism rules the internet.
      • Re:Correct decision (Score:4, Informative)

        by daveschroeder (516195) * on Friday April 06 2007, @10:35AM (#18634797)
        The reason the 9th Circuit gets overturned is because it's a very liberal court that is often seen as out of step with prevailing views.

        It also is very protective of personal and individual rights, liberty, and privacy, and does not err on the side of law enforcement or the state. It is probably statistically the most likely court to rule against the interests of the government and for the interests of the individual.

        This one's not going to be overturned.

        Also, you should really, really read the ruling [uscourts.gov].
      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        How is that different from any evidence collected from anywhere?

        Most evidence has to be authenticated by the person that recovered it. Just like if a store security guard see you shop-lifting, stops you and searches you, anything he finds, such as a bag of coke, you can be prosecuted for. How do we know he didn't plan it? He has to take the stand, swear to it, and then be cross-examined. That is how our system works, mostly.

    • Re:Correct decision (Score:5, Interesting)

      by jrockway (229604) <jon-nospam@jrock.us> on Friday April 06 2007, @10:32AM (#18634757) Homepage Journal
      > Using the typical logic, he apparently didn't protect his machine well enough, so it's okay, right? Oh, but he's on the malicious side, so he's right, and the University trying to protect itself, from someone violating just about every University policy with no expectation of privacy on the network of a public research university, is wrong?

      Problem with your logic there. If the University thinks being hacked is wrong, then why do they think hacking someone else is right? Two wrongs don't make a right. The hacker is a criminal, and the University (employee that did the hacking) is a criminal. It's that simple.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        Problem with your logic there. If the University thinks being hacked is wrong, then why do they think hacking someone else is right? Two wrongs don't make a right. The hacker is a criminal, and the University (employee that did the hacking) is a criminal. It's that simple.

        And the fact that this user agreed that SysAdmins may take steps to end emergency situations doesn't immediately say to me "oh, they can then hack my machine to hand over my personal files to the government without a warrant."

        To me that sa
        • Re:Correct decision (Score:4, Informative)

          by daveschroeder (516195) * on Friday April 06 2007, @10:53AM (#18635073)
          You forgot the whole part about how even without the allegedly improperly obtained information, there was still sufficient evidence for a search warrant [slashdot.org].

          Also, at the time that this incident occurred, there wasn't an integrated capability to block MACs on the Housing network by the central IT organization, for various reasons. The most immediately available option was blackholing the IP, which was done, at which point the user simply manually assigned himself an unused IP on the DHCP network and continued malicious activity. The central IT organization does not operate the Housing network, and also didn't have immediate capability to physically disable ports in dorm rooms.

          Today, we have all of those capabilities. Then, the only option for dealing with a very critical situation was taking all steps to actively ensure and verify that this computer did not come back on the network during the evolving emergency situation occurring over a very short period of time.
          • Re:Correct decision (Score:5, Interesting)

            by Kythe (4779) on Friday April 06 2007, @11:02AM (#18635219)
            Whether there was sufficient evidence for a warrant is irrelevant -- as you yourself noted, the University is not a law enforcement entity, nor were they working in that capacity.

            Additionally, whether the University had the means to sufficiently control its network is also not relevant to whether they had the right to break the law -- unless the man in question specifically allowed hacking into his computer by agreement. Did he do so?

            IANAL, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see a lawsuit against the university over their actions. Frankly, I'm rather surprised no one has been charged with hacking the man's computer. Perhaps it's being "overlooked" due to the obviously bad actor involved -- but IMHO it shouldn't be. OKing this sort of vigilantism is a pretty dangerous thing to do, on many levels.
      • You missed one critical point. The exigent circumstances allowed the University to take legally take necessary actions to protect its computing and network resources and infrastructure, and the court upheld this.

        The University was clearly correct in taking steps to ensure that the network access of the offending computer, in violation of numerous University policies and actively putting critical systems and services in jeopardy to unknown scope, was terminated and remained terminated in an emergent situatio
        • by Waffle Iron (339739) on Friday April 06 2007, @11:02AM (#18635231)
          Since his computer was in a dorm room, the correct thing to do would have been to walk down to the dorm, get the local Resident Adviser or whoever is in charge to open up the room (which is undoubtedly allowed in emergency situations under the lease-like contract that students sign), unplug the network jack, and call the police. This would have had the additional benefit of clearly preserving any evidence of wrongdoing within the attacking system.

          Even if access to the room were not possible, they could have simply gone down to the router, pulled the plug on that room, and called the police.

          Illegally counter-hacking the attacking computer (which also was likely to taint any evidence in the system) was *not* necessary under the exigent circumstances.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            Indeed...

            I'd saw remotely unplugging the room at the router is probably better than entering the room and unplugging the computer.

            That way the admin would never obtain *physical* access to the computer (e.g. this removes a tiny amount of doubt that he could have tampered with the computer, e.g. with a boot disk/cd before the police arrive ).

            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              This was 7 years ago, and all network resources (access, authentication, topology), among many other things, were not centrally managed.

              There were a limited amount of things that could be done centrally. One of them was blackholing IPs. Physically disabling the port was also not possible in a timely manner.

              After a 5-year, $50 million network upgrade, a lot of these things people are suggesting from their armchairs are now possible. But they weren't then. This was an IMMEDIATE situation that required emergen
              • by Waffle Iron (339739) on Friday April 06 2007, @12:46PM (#18636671)

                After a 5-year, $50 million network upgrade, a lot of these things people are suggesting from their armchairs are now possible.

                No, the only person with an armchair problem was that guy who couldn't be bothered to get out of his and make an appropriate response to the incident. Instead, he went the lazy/fun route, kept his butt firmly planted in his chair, and took matters into his own hands as a vigilante. Now 300 million Americans have just seen their bill of rights eroded by yet another increment because the university had to set new legal precedents to cover their asses from the fallout of this poor decision.

                No matter what, they could have blocked access from the entire dorm for the hour or two that it would have taken to sort out the problem legally. If their network management was sooooo crappy that even that couldn't be done, they should have just turned off their own goddamned mail server to protect it from this omnipotent hacker that was apparently impervious in his dorm room a couple of blocks away. Committing new federal felonies as a first option was not the answer.

          • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

            Yes.

            Cutting off his network access wouldn't have been able to happen immediately. The central IT organization does not operate or have physical access to the Housing network. The only option, at the time this occurred, was blackholing the IP and ensuring insofar as was possible that the same computer not reappear on the network and continue malicious activities.

            Today, after a 5-year, $50 million network upgrade, there are numerous options for blocking MACs, remotely disabling network ports, and so on. None
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        If the University thinks being hacked is wrong, then why do they think hacking someone else is right? Two wrongs don't make a right. The hacker is a criminal, and the University (employee that did the hacking) is a criminal. It's that simple.

        Scenario:
        You are at the mall and some psycho starts shooting everyone in sight with an AK-47. You work in the mall as an armed guard. If the mall thinks being shot at and killed is wrong, then why do they think shooting someone else is right? Two wrongs don't make a right. The shooter is a criminal, and the mall security guard is a criminal. It's that simple.

          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            Most universities with any sort of net access have rules stating that the sysadmins, in the course of their duties, can take action to stop attacks on the network.

            The sysadmin initially blocked the port and called it good, probably with the intent to inform management and let them deal with it. One could argue that "I pay tuition and I was blocked illegally" but nobody here is saying that violated any rights.

            Blocking was not sufficient to prevent the attacks, so the sysadm escalated his effort. That is a
            • Re:Correct decision (Score:4, Interesting)

              by keraneuology (760918) on Friday April 06 2007, @12:29PM (#18636417) Journal
              How does browsing through tmp block an account? He had verified that the computer was the same one that had been previously blocked but decided to give the hacker an additional 15 minutes of time which could have been used to cause additional damage on the university's network. Since the sysadmin was taking the time to snoop it should be clear that he was going beyond what was necessary in the emergency situation. A cop kicks in a door because he hears a scream and finds a woman bleeding to death on the floor. Instead of calling an ambulance or otherwise rendering aid he takes 15 minutes to wander through the house to search for drugs. Proper action?
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        There are a lot of situations were people are forced to do things that are illegal but is otherwise considered ok in the circumstances. Killing a person is illegal, killing a person to save your own life gets you a pass. Speeding is illegal, speeding away from a shootout where it is likely you could be hit by a stray gets you a pass. Jaywalking is illegal, jaywalking to get away from a crumbling building gets you a pass.

        Do you see a pattern here? Sometimes in order to protect yourself, illegal actions don't
      • Re:Correct decision (Score:5, Informative)

        by daveschroeder (516195) * on Friday April 06 2007, @10:30AM (#18634717)
        Well, the 9th Circuit (which issued this ruling) is a very liberal court [wikipedia.org], which routinely sides with privacy, individual rights, and personal liberties, and does not err on the side of the state. So you can rest assured that any appropriate protections afforded Heckencamp were more than duly considered.

        You may be interested in reading the entire ruling [uscourts.gov].

        The applicable bit:

        Once a court determines that the special needs doctrine
        applies to a search, it must "assess the constitutionality of the
        search by balancing the need to search against the intrusiveness
        of the search." Henderson, 305 F.3d at 1059 (citing Ferguson,
        532 U.S. at 78). The factors considered are the subject
        of the search's privacy interest, the government's interests in
        performing the search, and the scope of the intrusion. See id.
        at 1059-60.

        [...]

        The district court did not err in denying the motion to
        suppress the evidence obtained through the remote search of
        the computer.

        [...]

        Here, even without the evidence gathered through the
        allegedly improper search, there is sufficient information in
        the affidavit to establish probable cause. The affidavit recited
        evidence that the server intrusion had been tracked "to a campus
        dormitory room computer belonging to Jerome T. Heckenkamp";
        that "[t]he computer is in Room 107, Noyes House,
        Adams Hall on the University of Wisconsin-Madison"; and
        that "Heckenkamp previously had a disciplinary action in the
        past for unauthorized computer access to a University of Wisconsin
        system." This was sufficient evidence to obtain the
        warrant to search "Room 107, Noyes House, Adams Hall."


        So, the search warrant exemption applied, and even without the information in question, there was, regardless, already sufficient information for a search warrant.
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            The ninth circuit has a large percentage of rulings overturned by a higher court.

            I cannot find the quote but I think they hold over 60% of the overturns the supreme court has done in the last 20 or so years. They tend to have what some would call "activist decisions" and have been questioned about which constitution they were looking at when deciding some cases in the past. The tend to have a liberal interpretation of the laws too.
            • Re:Correct decision (Score:5, Informative)

              by Ardeaem (625311) on Friday April 06 2007, @11:20AM (#18635477)
              AFAIK, you are wrong, and that is simply spin. A quick google search yielded this: http://mediamatters.org/items/200511090012 [mediamatters.org]

              During its 2004-05 term, the Supreme Court reversed 84 percent of the cases it chose to hear from appeals of 9th Circuit decisions, compared to a 73 percent average reversal rate for all circuit courts of appeals.* But the high court reversed 100 percent of the decisions it heard from the 1st, 2nd, and 10th Circuit Courts of Appeals.* Moreover, as Media Matters for America has documented, the 9th Circuit's reversal rate was slightly lower than the national average for all circuit courts during the 2003-04 Supreme Court term (76 percent for 9th Circuit vs. 77 percent nationally), and only slightly higher than the national average during the 2002-03 term (75 percent for 9th Circuit vs. 73 percent nationally) and the 2001-02 term (76 percent for 9th Circuit vs. 75 percent nationally).
              and

              While it is true that the Supreme Court has reversed more decisions by the 9th Circuit than by any other circuit court in terms of numbers alone, the 9th Circuit has a far bigger caseload than any other circuit (including the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit).
              People have tried to label them as some kind of crazy pinko judges, always on the wrong side of the Supreme Court, but it isn't true. And even if it WERE, with some of the decisions we've gotten lately you could do much better than always siding with the Supreme Court.
          • by daveschroeder (516195) * on Friday April 06 2007, @10:45AM (#18634951)
            Its track record is clear, exactly as stated, and no matter how "liberal" it is or isn't, the 9th Circuit has a consistent record of always erring on the side of individual rights, liberties, and freedoms, and against the interests of the government, sometimes to ridiculous degrees.

            And since there's an entire huge section in Wikipedia and over 1 million hits on google for "9th circuit liberal", regardless of "how much" it's true, there is no denying that, among all appeals circuits, the 9th is the "most" liberal.

            But in this case, it's so clear cut that the University acted properly, it wasn't difficult for the court to rule on the side of the University's actions.

            The point is, the court most likely to overturn the conviction didn't. And therefore, it's reasonable to believe this is how it will remain.
            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              This is the Problem:
              What recourse does the person have if the Admin planted evidence?

              This may or may not be the case here(probably not) but we know how petty people who illusions of power can behave, espcially in college.
      • They are pretty much required by law to do that already.
      • I mean, why not just bust down the door and take the system back to the lap?

        Or do you have expectation of privacy in your dorm room, but not in your computer....
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        He did have an expectation of privacy, and the court held that.

        It also held that the emergency search fell under the doctrine of the "special needs" exemption to the Fourth Amendment.

        These two principles were balanced, and special needs won out.

        I really wish people would read the ruling [uscourts.gov], as it speaks in great detail about the principles of privacy, expectations thereof, why the search was acceptable in these circumstances, and so on.
            • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

              the underlying act itself was specifically exempted under special needs.

              Again, this was specifically for the purpose of determining the admissibility of the evidence. The 9th Circuit was addressing an appeal, so could only rule on matters of law pertaining to that appeal.

              Whether or not the university sysadmin would be convicted under the circumstances is a fairly open question, if he were charged with unauthorized access of a computer system. Now that I've read the ruling and the facts considered, it cert
              • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

                I think we essentially agree on the basic points here.

                I understand that this ruling is only speaking to the conviction that is unrelated to the University efforts with regard to ensuring this computer remained off the network.

                However, since special needs only applies to the explicit and direct action the University took, while this ruling is speaking specifically to the appeal of the conviction, it is still reasonable to believe that the action itself would be viewed legal upon consideration of that action
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        If you are a system administrator responsible for securing a network that serves 65000 people on a public research campus with a $2.1 billion annual budget, and you take actions to defend it from active a malicious attack that originating from the facility's own property and network by a person who is affiliated with your facility in violation of numerous policies of said facility, and this were nearly a decade ago and other suitable avenues for denying the attacker access weren't immediately available, the
  • " The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. "

    So, does it fit? What was the evidence before the hack? IANAL, just curious.
    • this only applies to the government performing the search. in this case it was the university and he was on their network which probably gave them the right via something he signed

      and even if it was the government, there is probably case law that says a warrant can be given out after the fact if the government can prove they had proof or a compelling reason to gather this evidence at that time and getting a warrant would take too long, etc. it's like if a police officer arrests you without an arrest warrant
  • Thank God (Score:4, Interesting)

    by normuser (1079315) * <normuser@whyisthishere.com> on Friday April 06 2007, @10:08AM (#18634425) Homepage Journal

    The court ruled today that such counter-hacks are allowable under the 'special needs' exception to the Fourth Amendment


    Now I don't feel so bad about killing those zombies that keep trying to ssh into my box.
  • What? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Spazntwich (208070) on Friday April 06 2007, @10:08AM (#18634427)

    The court ruled today that such counter-hacks are allowable under the 'special needs' exception to the Fourth Amendment

    So suddenly the retarded aren't protected by the bill of rights?

    This is preposterous!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 06 2007, @10:09AM (#18634447)
    I'm a bit scared as to what this will mean for RIAA attacks against innocent people accused of file sharing. If "self help" is available for the university when someone hacked their server, why WOULDN'T the courts allow "investigators" working for the MAFIAA to hack into computers to determine if they were "pirating" music or movies?
    • Except for the fact that the University of Wisconsin isn't cooperating with the RIAA in its latest efforts:

      University of Wisconsin-Madison Bucks RIAA
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/20/015121 6 [slashdot.org]

      UW to RIAA: No way
      http://badgerherald.com/news/2007/03/21/uw_to_riaa _no_way.php [badgerherald.com]

      It may be illegal...
      http://www.doit.wisc.edu/news/story.asp?filename=8 12 [wisc.edu]
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      I'm a bit scared as to what this will mean for RIAA attacks against innocent people accused of file sharing. If "self help" is available for the university when someone hacked their server, why WOULDN'T the courts allow "investigators" working for the MAFIAA to hack into computers to determine if they were "pirating" music or movies?

      Well, one reason is that apparently this guy was connected to the university's network. He was using it to actively hack other systems, which is more clearly an "emergency" tha

    • If "self help" is available for the university when someone hacked their server, why WOULDN'T the courts allow "investigators" working for the MAFIAA to hack into computers to determine if they were "pirating" music or movies?

      Cuts both ways (with the general interpretation you make). If they try to break into your box and you didn't do anything wrong, then *you* would then be allowed to break into their machines... Then again, I'm pretty sure there are lots of restrictions.
  • I knew two wrongs make a right. (obviously if it benefits certain organizations only)
  • Heckenkamp was caught after a system administrator at the university hacked into his Linux box to gather evidence that Heckenkamp had been attacking the college mail server.

    But what if that evidence had not been there? Would the so-called "counter-hack" have been a punishable offense had the target turned out to be innocent?

    It'd be fun if you could hack anyone you wanted at that University as long as you're looking for evidence of wrongdoing.. especially since all the skills you'd need to hack into a box

  • Forensics Anyone? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by madsheep (984404) on Friday April 06 2007, @10:34AM (#18634789) Homepage
    Ok this just sounds a bit ridiculous. This is essentially vigilante cyber justice. Now it had a bit more of a law enforcement/good guy vs bad guy twist, but I just don't see how this can be allowed. Where is this special need and why was this an acceptable method to go about anything?

    Is anyone familiar with forensics? "Hacking" into another machine alters a ton of stuff..even if you're just logging in remotely with username/password you found. You've change login dates, profiles, logs, etc. How would this sysadmin have known this machine wasn't already compromised and was just being used a launching point?? If this was the case and the guy adamantly denied having been a part of it, he would have essentially *ruined* any and all evidence. This is just rediculous.
  • by imunfair (877689) on Friday April 06 2007, @01:33PM (#18637401) Homepage
    You either leave the net as the wild west, and let every man fend for himself, or you set up concrete rules about hacking, etc and enforce them fairly.

    I'm not defending the 'ebay hacker', but I think if he's in trouble then the sysadmin should be as well. There are a lot of physical solutions to cut off someone's net access if you have control of their building, in the event that you can't handle it on the technological side. The responsible thing to do if neither of those options were available would be to remove your server from the net, or actually make your system secure, and report the attacker through the proper channels.

    And to all the people defending the sysadmin as justified, I would like to know why - if he thought blackholing the first ip was enough at the time - did he bother to find a working password on the system in question, and what methodology did he use to do that? Seems like he's just using the second attack as a CYA to hide his proclivity to hacking students machines when he wants to. (If you RTFA it says that he used a password from the first time to log in the second time and snoop around to verify it was the same computer)
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        A poetic response, so concise that I can't even comment about spelling or grammar. Anyhow, nice to see the world must be coming to an end if Slashdot's frontpage makes reference to a Linux box being hacked.

        Regardless, as a former residential network admin at my college, I fully understand the position of the university. All students on my previous campus, anyway, were made to sign a use agreement prior to connecting their computers to the network. That agreement ensured the university's authority in main
          • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

            RTFC, at no point did I promote/encourage/favor the unethical treatment of said convict's posterior. Secondly, you added the "violent" part all on your own. Sweet dreams.
            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              Watch your "backdoor" kid. would imply that you would condone such things within our prison system. We're trying to rehabilitate people, and that's not going to help. As for violent, do you know of any other kind of rape?