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IBM buys Gluecode 81

Posted by samzenpus from the buy-it-all dept.
karvind writes "After acquisition of Ascential, Big Blue has bought the application management firm Gluecode. From the article: IBM plans to allow its customers to download Gluecode software, develop their own application server software, and begin using it -- all at no cost. IBM also said it will become an active contributor to the Apache Geronimo open source project and will expand the existing community of developers."
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  • Diabetes (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @06:51PM (#12504256)
    I got diabetes from too much glucode.

  • Amazing technology! (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @06:55PM (#12504289)
    ... download Gluecode software, develop their own application server software, and begin using it -- all at no cost

    Next up from IBM -- they mail you sand, which you can use to develop advanced microprocessors and chipsets, and begin using them, all at no cost!

    Followed by their patented 4k GIF reading "WORK FASTER," intended for use to develop your own source code control system, and begin using it -- all at no cost!

    For the coup de grace, an online whiteboard, allowing you to jot arbitrary equations and thus evewntually develop amazing new branches of quantum physics, revolutionizing modern thought. All for just two percent of royalties (plus naming rights)!

    Thanks, IBM!
    • Sorry, the name "Boson" was already named... ;P

      And there are no computrons.

      Though I guess having the first quantum-spelled name [ibm.com] (IBM in xenon atoms with nickel base) is pretty cool.

      Gotta hand it to IBM. At first they were the ones to bring the computer industry down, but now they're bringing it up, up and up. I think they really understand what our computer and tech culture is becoming.

      • Re:Amazing technology! (Score:5, Insightful)

        by Afrosheen ( 42464 ) on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @07:38PM (#12504584)
        "I think they really understand what our computer and tech culture is becoming."

        Yeah they sure do. It's a source of great income for those with deep pockets like Dell, Microsoft, and IBM. IBM is just leveraging their power to stay alive and grow. They invested heavily in Linux from a number of angles to benefit themselves first and the rest of us second. I don't have a problem with their methodology, just pointing out that their the primary benefactor of the technology they purchase and open up like this.
        • If they benefit, and we do too, wheres the badness?

          When treading into software, its not a zero-sum game. In fact, its the companies and people who mooch off of free stuff without giving back. The recent anti-GPL companies recently 'featured' are an exemplary demonstration of that.

          • Right.

            That's the difference between IBM and Microsoft.

            As IBM betters its fortunates, it gives us free stuff.

            As Microsoft betters its fortunes, it gives us, oh, DRM, viruses, BSOD, ever increasing fees, endless FUD and BS from Gates, etc. ad nauseum.

            • ---As Microsoft betters its fortunes, it gives us, oh, DRM,

              You can thank the "Big Studios" for that, thank you. People dont want DRM, the content distributors (not creators as much).

              ---viruses

              What virus has Microsoft made? Guess you've never seen a naughty shell script or C code with bad calls that do things like... encrypt your ~ and then demand X amount of dollars for the decryption key.

              ---BSOD

              Yeah, like I'd rather have Windows (or ANY OS for that matter) try to attempt to recover from a kernel error

  • Job Losses (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward
    I thought IBM were trying to save money by getting rid of 13,000 jobs?

    • Re:Job Losses (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      This is part of their overall plan to return to profitability: Give stuff away and make it up on volume.
    • They did. They fired all the workers. Now the managers realized there is no one left to attend meetings, form focus groups, create mission statements and position papers. New blood needs to be hired now or there will be no one around to find fault with in time for the next quarterly review process.

    • Re:Job Losses (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Few good companies (read: IBM) fire 13,000 people to save money. They fire 13,000 people who are mediocre, under-performing, or difficult to work with and instead make the mass firings the result of an "economic downturn".

      Makes it easier on the employee getting fired (less insult to injury) and also reduces the likelihood of a law suit (harder to demonstrate discrimination).

      Then they turn around and hire 13,000 people who are (hopefully) exceptional, and though the net employee count is unchanged, the av
      • Maybe the layoffs are the result of increased automation, as has happened in other countries. It makes sense, doesn't it? I mean, they are a computer company. They should know a thing or two about increasing productivity.
    • Did you miss the Apache part?
      They sack 13,000 jobs and get FOSS people to do the work for them, the giving the code away part is just to win them over.

      Not that i am saying it is bad for them to do this.
  • If you are wanting a free J2EE application server, why not use http://www.jboss.org/ [jboss.org]?

    What am I missing here?

    Def
    • If you are wanting a free J2EE application server, why not use http://www.jboss.org/ [jboss.org]?

      Indeed. I see the question as being "when you can't cope with your expanding J2EE app server needs yourself, who do you want to call in, IBM [ibm.com] or JBoss [jboss.com] ?"

      Note that's jboss.com... IBM isn't the only for-profit company involved in open-source J2EE app server products here. Maybe that's what you're missing. Or maybe you're just missing the concept that someone might look to an outside company for help with their app server, r

    • JBOSS is LGPL, Geronimo is ASF.

    • Re:Why not use JBOSS? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by carlfish ( 7229 ) <cmiller@pastiche.org> on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @07:23PM (#12504502) Homepage Journal
      I know. We should all just use JBoss and ignore any other attempt to make an open source Java application server. Competition is a terrible thing to have in any market, and should be discouraged at every opportunity.

      Charles

      • Re:Why not use JBOSS? (Score:3, Interesting)

        by killjoe ( 766577 )
        Competition is one thing, competition without purpose is another.

        Right now there are two major J2EE engines out there. JBOSS and JONAS what is the purpose of a third? Both JBOSS and JONAS are certified by SUN, both of them are proven enterprise ready, both of them have active developers and userbase.

        So I'll ask it again. What is the purpose of a third open source J2EE container? Is there some missing functionality tlhey want to implement?

      • Competition is a terrible thing to have in any market, and should be discouraged at every opportunity.

        You're joking here, but I think this isn't too far from the truth. Too often, we confuse improvements with the inefficient competitive business practices under which they were developed. However, improvements can also come about through cooperation, and in fact, they probably do come about through that method more often.

        Take Free Software project branching, for instance: you can branch a project and

        • One -- cooperation -- is efficient, and gives good opportunity for experimenting with minimal waste.

          When people agree.

          The other, competitiveness as we often see between capitalist companies, is wasteful, needlessly secretive, and generally childish.

          At times. But it's a useful organizing principle for a pluralist society where people often disagree.

    • Re:Why not use JBOSS? (Score:2, Informative)

      by dsgfh ( 517540 )
      JBoss is great when you only want to deploy a single application on a single box. Start needing to deploy multiple applications on a single server instance & you quickly get into classloader hell (damn ambiguous specs, and JBoss deciding to take a unique approach to just about everyone else).
      Try & set up multiple JBoss instances & ask yourself why pre-packaged JBoss components in the deploy directory (where you deploy your applications) refer to specific ports configured elsewhere, and you have
      • every single application server has classloading quirks. with BEA/WAS,etc you get to call them bugs and cry and shout that things aren't working right, then wait two weeks for a potential patch from support, that may or may not work.

        i think the specs are farily clear regarding the application container provider's responsibilities regarding classloaders. care to expand on some of the things you see lacking?

        if you read the jboss docs/examples, you'll see that there's a simple ant execution to setup multip

        • Re:Why not use JBOSS? (Score:3, Informative)

          by dsgfh ( 517540 )
          very single application server has classloading quirks. with BEA/WAS,etc you get to call them bugs and cry and shout that things aren't working right, then wait two weeks for a potential patch from support, that may or may not work.
          Yup... they're bugs b/c they're documented to work one way, and actually work another. However the class-loading heirachy is very clear (until you start deploying applications that do their own class-loading as well ala Sun Portal Server).

          Any application server that, when i

  • Go big blue. Why do i have a feeling this is just the start for big blue in the next few months.

  • More info (Score:4, Informative)

    by kbahey ( 102895 ) on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @07:01PM (#12504342) Homepage

    Editors: articles are increasingly lacking context. Please editorialize a bit more.

    The company's web site [gluecode.com] and Product overview [gluecode.com] for Gluecode SE [gluecode.com] would help next time.

  • Apache Geronimo (Score:5, Informative)

    by Nik13 ( 837926 ) on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @07:21PM (#12504493) Homepage
    For all of those who didn't know, it's a J2EE server.

    Apache Geronimo Homepage [apache.org]

    I knew of [apache jakarta] tomcat, but not geronimo. Sorry, I guess I've been living under a comfy rock for too long.

    • Re:Apache Geronimo (Score:5, Informative)

      by TopSpin ( 753 ) * on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @08:05PM (#12504799) Journal
      ...it's a J2EE server.

      So is Websphere...

      o.O

      Gluecode actually goes beyond J2EE; Apache Derby is supplied as a DBMS. It merges all of these independent parts into a cohesive, turn-key J2EE stack with a few extras, like a web based configuration/management interface.

      Jetty is the HTTP listener. I really like Jetty. For most small J2EE apps, if you need something that isn't in Jetty Plus (besides the database,) you need to think hard about whether you're over engineering. If you can live within Jetty Plus, your life will be far more pleasant; you need a JVM, tar/winzip and vi/notepad to manage that server.

      Why has JBoss moved away from Jetty anyhow? It use to be the default HTTP listener and servlet engine, but it looks like they've diverged. NIH?
  • Cool!

  • The enemy of their enemy... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by brasten ( 699342 ) on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @07:37PM (#12504580)
    Of course they would support Apache Geronimo. It's in IBM's best financial interest to protect WebSphere, and protecting WebSphere means not allowing JBoss to become the de facto open-source AppServer standard. At the same time time, they want to appear friendly to open-source to attract developers.

    So, they support Apache Geronimo to compete with JBoss.
    • the only problem jboss has is it's use of the lgpl. you can't get outside corporate sponsorship for core projects (eclipse) by using the lgpl. with geronimo, any company will be able to donate some serious cash to its development and then make money off packaging, selling, and supporting the product.

      i'd guess ibm went with linux only because they had already a corporate server room presence (RHEL/SuSE), and the BSD's most likely have much less deployments.
      • you can't get outside corporate sponsorship for core projects (eclipse) by using the lgpl. with geronimo, any company will be able to donate some serious cash to its development and then make money off packaging, selling, and supporting the product.

        Possibly. But if a company does improve Geronimo and sell its version, it has fewer incentives to release those improvements: if it did, other companies could release their own improvements and the first company would have no access thereto. Whereas with the

  • Apache Harmony (Score:4, Interesting)

    by olafura ( 539592 ) on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @07:44PM (#12504644) Homepage
    IBM has campaining for open source J2SE.
    When Classpath is turning almost compliant, Apache tries to help it's accepance by requesting
    them to move the code to the Apache Licence.
    The man behind it is a VP at Gluecode.
    IBM buys Gluecode.

    Also there was a rumor on jpackage about an undisclose three letter company that
    was getting them to test a free j2se impementation.
    • IBM has campaining for open source J2SE

      Which is a bit of a puzzle, because they don't need to campaign for it - they can simply write it. If any company has the resources to do this, it is IBM.

      • Re:Apache Harmony (Score:4, Informative)

        by Thumpnugget ( 142707 ) on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @08:24PM (#12504918)
        IBM has already written their own JVM. But they made the mistake of looking at Sun's source code and signing a license agreement with Sun for said source code. Now they can't write an actually free-as-in-speech one themselves without Sun suing that JVM out of existence for 'contamination' issues and IBM proper for breaking licensing agreements.

        So, all they can do now is encourage other people to hurry up and write a free-as-in-speech JVM and, for example, provide financial incentive to that end without actually providing anyone to do the work itself.
        • But they made the mistake of looking at Sun's source code and signing a license agreement with Sun for said source code.

          It is misleading to consider a huge company like IBM to be a single entity who as 'looked at Sun's source code'. They could always form a development team from people who haven't seen it.

    • Re:Apache Harmony (Score:3, Insightful)

      by k98sven ( 324383 )
      IBM has campaining for open source J2SE.

      Right.

      When Classpath is turning almost compliant, Apache tries to help it's accepance by requesting them to move the code to the Apache Licence.

      Not true. Apache Harmony is an effort for an Apache VM. They haven't decided yet if that means writing their own from scratch or adopting one.

      They haven't decided yet if they're going to use GNU Classpath either. Although it is very, very likely.

      Apache has not requested that Classpath change its license. Firstly becaus

  • Gluecode? (Score:4, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @07:58PM (#12504749)
    IBM plans to allow its customers to download Gluecode software, develop their own application server software, and begin using it -- all at no cost.

    Does that mean there's a lot of cutting and pasting involved?

    • I hope the adheshive isn't the kind that you lick. Licking 10,000+ lines of code together has to taste horribly nasty.

      And imagine the Gentoo people's horror when they hear they have to lick all the code together just to compile Tux Racer. "emerge tongue" indeed

      • Well, you can improve the taste by pasting some Wine code into it. PearPC code may also give an interesting note. However, you have to be careful, because the code might have bugs in it, and licking a bug probbably isn't the experience you'll like.

  • First thought about "IBM buys Gluecode" (Score:3, Funny)

    by renrutal ( 872592 ) <renrutal@gmail.com> on Wednesday May 11, 2005 @10:15PM (#12505680)
    Larry Wall sold Perl?!?!
  • Well, from IBM's recent layoff of over 10,000 employees and the selling of their PC making division, I really don't think purchasing a new company and then offering stuff for free is really going to help them. But don't get me wrong, I'm 100% for OSS, I'm just looking out for big blue. I don't see them lasting if they keep this up. This is just my two cents though.
    • They know what they're doing. They're shifting more from selling software to selling software services. Think of the way Redhat makes money off of a free OS. Businesses (especially the bigger ones) that need support will most likely turn to those that develop the application suite they're using.
  • anyone else see this as a way of stepping up their solution line against Oracle (who had the RDBMS, and grabbed PeopleSoft for the front end, so they could complete with SAP).

    This wouldnt make much sense, except Oracle has been snatching up middleware people, and other IP groups to try and strengthen their overall ERP stance, something that IBM was looking to do with their strategic alliance with PeopleSoft last fall. Just a thought.
  • Geir Magnusson Jr. is a lead in the proposed Har mony Project [apache.org], which is intended to be an open source Java J2SE 5 implementation.

    Geir Magnusson Jr. is from Gluecode [codehaus.org], which IBM has acquired.

    What is IBM really trying to buy here? I always thought that when IBM wanted Java they'd just buy Sun.

  • I originally thought you wrote "IBM buys Google" You almost gave me a heart attack >_

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