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Rave Reviews for Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger

Posted by Zonk on Thu Apr 28, 2005 07:38 AM
from the widgets-widgets-everywhere dept.
druid_getafix writes "The first mass market reviews of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger are trickling in with a big thumbs up for the release. Walt Mossberg of the WSJ says 'Tiger Leaps Out in Front' but complains about slowness of some applications - notably Mail. David Pogue of NYT says 'But with apologies to Mac-bashers everywhere, Spotlight changes everything. Tiger is the classiest version of Mac OS X ever and, by many measures, the most secure, stable and satisfying consumer operating system prowling the earth.' In related news Mossberg also covers the rising incidence of spam/virii in the Windows world and says '...consider dumping Windows altogether and switching to Apple's Macintosh...'. Previous reviews of Tiger were covered on /. earlier."
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  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:41AM (#12370207)

    unless there's a torrent..
  • by earthbound kid (859282) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:45AM (#12370231) Homepage
    welco... AHHH!! *mauled to death by a tiger for using a slashdot cliche*
  • Pity (Score:5, Interesting)

    by DenDave (700621) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:45AM (#12370235)
    Pity, I haven't got my copy yet. Can't wait... Spotlight will definetly change everything.. I wish we had this functionality on our windows network. Usually colleagues have a habit of making emssy files and storing things all over the shop, if we could search on meta data that would really help. From what I can tell so far, spotlight means you no longer care where things are, they simply exist and the context becomes the "path"... Truly innovating and definetly worth my money.

  • by scsirob (246572) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:46AM (#12370236)
    I'm always amazed how people seem to be able to judge the quality of an operating system within just a couple of hours. I can't imagine that you can really tell if productivity and/or stability have improved within a couple of hours.

    So how do they review the OS?
    • by Brento (26177) <(moc.razotnerb) (ta) (otnerb)> on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:54AM (#12370303) Homepage
      I'm always amazed how people seem to be able to judge the quality of an operating system within just a couple of hours.

      Journalists, especially high-profile ones like Mossberg, get preview versions of new gear long before the rest of us specifically so they can review it. They sign non-disclosure agreements to make sure the technology doesn't get into The Wrong Hands, and the vendors generally know the journalists will behave because the journalists have their entire career invested in it. If Mossberg tried to distribute pirated versions of Tiger ahead of the release date, Apple would stop giving him advance copies, and he'd lose prestige as a journalist.
  • Expose - Slowness (Score:5, Informative)

    by DJPenguin (17736) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:48AM (#12370254)
    I've had Tiger on my 17" powerbook for a few days now - it's actually installed on my iPod so I can dual boot.

    One thing I have noticed so far is that Expose seems a lot less fluid than in Panther. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I going mad? The difference is noticable even with only a couple of windows on the desktop.

    Other than that it seems nice. My Vodafone 3G card works, and most apps that I have tried. The only thing I can't get working yet is OpenVPN - as the TUN/TAP driver isn't ported yet.
  • by sehryan (412731) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:56AM (#12370326)
    I would love to make the switch, but I am not sure I could justify it. I know it is all subjective, but what is a good reason to switch away from WinXP? Looking for real reasons to switch, not trolls or flames.

    For reference, I don't have problems with virii, my system never crashes, and all of my main programs (mainly design programs from Adobe and Macromedia) run very nicely. So what would I gain from switching?
    • by zpok (604055) on Thursday April 28 2005, @08:13AM (#12370490) Homepage
      Initially, you'd be less productive (say one week, tops) and afterwards you'll probably be a lot more productive.

      That's the top one reason I always keep hearing from multimedia professionals who've switched. What makes them more productive? Workflow management, which seems to be easier in OS X, better handling of files and more freedom and consistency in setting up the perfect work environment. This includes scanning, printing and all color-proofing issues.

      For some things it's the difference between one click versus four. For some things it's simply features not available on Windows.

      And today it's a lot easier to set keyboard shortcuts just the way you want them and adapt your workflow to your taste. So switching has for the most part become trivial.

      I'd say coupled with the cross platform apps you use, there's at least not a compelling reason not to switch. If you personally would gain a lot by switching is another issue.

      I know, a pretty wooly answer. In the end it's down to your preferences and way of working. Best talk with fellow designers, see what they think about it, and see if what they say applies to your situation.

      DON'T ask the geeks here at /. they'll bog you down with arguments that have nothing to do with your reality ;-)
  • by adavies42 (746183) on Thursday April 28 2005, @08:07AM (#12370423)
    From the NYT article:

    The Safari browser now subscribes to R.S.S. news feeds,
    And its "private browsing" mode conceals the tracks of online deeds.
    There are archives now, and log files, when you send or get a fax;
    You can make the pointer bigger on those Jumbotron-screened Macs.
    You can start a full-screen slide show from some photos on demand;
    And the voice that reads the screen aloud can lend the blind a hand.
    There's a password-phrase suggestor meant to make yours more secure,
    And the Grapher module draws equations simple and obscure.
    Then the Automator program is a geeky software clerk -
    You just choose the steps you want performed, and it does all the work.
    There's a lot of miscellany, lots of spit-and-polish stuff,
    But it works and doesn't slow you down - and these days, that's enough.
  • by HawkingMattress (588824) on Thursday April 28 2005, @08:17AM (#12370520)
    Their new automator [apple.com] framework, which let applications send streams of objects to each other and have them propose interfaces to interact with.
    (Well that's how it seems to work at least). It looks like the equivalent of unix pipes for desktop apps.
    Something i've been waiting for for years.
    • by Karellen !-P (717831) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:43AM (#12370217) Homepage
      I did find it tremendously annoying that the multimedia part of the article requires you to have Real or WMP but not Quicktime.
    • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:45AM (#12370229)
      Which fanboy are you?
      1. Windows

        You wear wraparound sunglasses, even indoors. You wish your mother would let you ride a motorbike. You tell your friends you're pulling in $50,000 a year and $2,000 a month "playing the stock market" but in reality you're only bringing in half that and your dividends from MSFT havn't been good in years. Your non computing friends all turn to you for help; you only charge $30 an hour. Your collegues talk about you behind your back. Your workplace nickname is likely to be "The Asshole". Unlike the Linux fanboys, you actually try to pick up dates in bars but women laugh at you.
      2. Apple

        You think you're so cool you hurt. You have mirrors on every wall in your "loft apartment", which is really a grimy little apartment next to a guy who plays Guns 'n Roses at 3am. All of your furniture is from Ikea. You sometimes think that changing your name to "Steve" would be "pretty cool". When you go to bars you only drink Miller Lite. No body ever asks you for help with their computers because they know you don't know anything but OS X, even if you do tell them you "run Unix" now. Your friends openly laugh at you.
      3. Linspire

        You regularly give $10 bills to homeless guys because you have too much money. Computers baffle you, but you enjoy looking at pictures of naked women. You don't know what Linux is, but you continually bugged the IT guy at work about your computer so he installed Linspire on your machine.
      4. Umbongo

        You shop at GAP. You probably used to use a Mac. When you saw the multiracial image used as a desktop picture and heard that this operating system came from the same country as Nelson Mandela, you knew it was for you. You meet with your friends in fair-trade coffee houses and talk about the eventual overthrow of evil corporations such as Microsoft and Starbucks. Like the Linspire user, you have very little real knowlege when it comes to computers but you would never use your computer to look at pictures of women degrading themselves.
      5. Gentoy

        You've been "into computers" for ohh, one or two years now and fancy yourself as "a bit of a hacker". Wouldn't know C from C++, or even Perl for that matter. Older Gentoy users may be building their homes from matchsticks. You've explained to all your friends that your matchstick house will have an "optimised floorplan". They've tried to tell you that your house violates every known building code and law in your area, but you've ignored them so far because you can't read those complicated regulatory documents.
      6. Linux From Scratch

        Much like the Gentoy user but you'd also be into sadomasochistic sex if you could get it. You're not just building a house from matchsticks, you're planing to grow the trees to make the matchsticks. You've cleared some land but don't know what to do next because you havn't read the books you've got, so you've posted to alt.arborists.newbie asking for help. It's been three days so far and no one has replied. You remain hopeful.
      • by smitty_one_each (243267) * on Thursday April 28 2005, @08:15AM (#12370504) Homepage Journal
        8. Emacs
        Your devotion to the One True Editor is such that you (secretly) don't care what manner of kernel/windowing system you use to light off to run brilliant stuff like Gnus, ECB, or ERC.
        You like the substance of the GPL, even if you fall short of the full-on reactionary "ethical" style that some are capable of achieving.
        You wonder why the OS can't be as unobtrusive as the BIOS, and just serve Emacs quietly.
    • by kimba (12893) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:55AM (#12370314)
      David Pogue should disclose that he is a popular author of Apple books [amazon.com]. I don't disagree with what he says, and I am an Apple fan, but if you have a major interest in Apple you should probably disclose it when writing neutral articles for the NYT.
    • Re:Java 5? (Score:5, Informative)

      by qwertphobia (825473) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:47AM (#12370250)
      Java 5 is not included with the operating system, but 1.4.2 is included.

      Java 5 will be provided as a separate installer, so that folks can upgrade when they're ready.
    • Re:Java 5? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:49AM (#12370264)
      Java 5? That's Java 1.5.0, yes? No, wait, I mean that's Java2 1.5.0?

      Does it run on SunOS 2.10? Sorry, I mean, Solaris 10?
    • Re:Java 5? (Score:5, Informative)

      by ABaumann (748617) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:52AM (#12370286)
      No news as to when Java 1.5 (I refuse to call it Java 5 - see more) will be out. However, Apple has said that Tiger will be required for Java 1.5 (ie they're not gonna make it compatible with Panther) Early reviews of 10.4 Beta have said that a beta version of Java 1.5 is there, but seeing as apple hasn't mentioned anything, I'd be surprised to see it on an actual 10.4 disk. Summary: Java Tiger on Mac Tiger? If not now then soon. More: As for the name Java 5... Java 1.0 was Java 1.0. When they came out with Java 1.2, they called it Java 2 Then they had Java 2 versions 1.3, 1.4, etc. Now they have Java 5. Come on people! I don't care what your versioning conventions are, I just care that you have some.
    • No Tiger in Tiger (Score:5, Interesting)

      by kherr (602366) <kevinNO@SPAMpuppethead.com> on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:52AM (#12370287) Homepage
      Java 5 (Tiger) is not included in Mac OS X 10.4 (Tiger). But Apple's got it under development and I'd suspect there'll be a Java update to Java 5 within a short period. Apple's been making test builds available to developers.
      • by Mikey-San (582838) on Thursday April 28 2005, @07:55AM (#12370309) Homepage Journal
        As do I, but I really thing Apple need to do something about getting a cheap machine out. I can build my own for half the price of a Mac mini, and until they can match that they won't be getting any of my money, and I'm sticking with Windows.

        ROFLCOPTER. "Apple need to sell a cheap [$250] computer."

        An upgrade to Windows XP Professional is $200 alone. How much computer can you buy for that last $50? Sorry, but if you're going to complain that a $500 isn't cheap enough, I'm going to say you're a biased troll who thinks pirating an OS makes a computer cheaper for comparison purposes. You can't call something cheaper if you're stealing part of it.

        "Man, that $2000 PowerBook is too expensive. If they had a $1000 laptop, I'd buy one, but NOT SOONER NO OMG."

        "Man, that $1000 iBook is too expensive, but if they had a $700 Mac, I'd buy it. NOT SOONER, though!"

        "Man, that eMac isn't cheap enough for me. I can build my own computer for $10 and a pack of paper clips. Wake me when they sell an AFFORDABLE computer."

        "What? They're charging $500 for a computer?! Too bad they don't have a $250 computer, or I'd buy one."

        Pattern here?
      • by peragrin (659227) on Thursday April 28 2005, @08:00AM (#12370354)
        You can only build a machine cheaper if your time is worthless.

        I need someone to do some yard work can I hire you for $1 a day? That is your going computer assembly rate. So it won't be much of a difference.

        You do reaize that in order to put even a nano-itx board into a mac mini chassis, you can't have a cd-rom drive right?

      • Re:Voice recognition (Score:5, Interesting)

        by boaworm (180781) <boaworm@gmail.com> on Thursday April 28 2005, @08:05AM (#12370400) Homepage Journal
        Apple is obviously not interested in competing with all this crap'n'cheap PC storese and hardware floating around. Why can't people figure that out ?

        Furthermore, I've actually spent less money on computer hardware since I bought my Power Mac, simply because I was suddenly so happy with it, and felt no need to constantly change stuff.

        I threw my last Windows/PC years ago, running Linux/OpenBSD on my servers, and OS X on laptops/workstation. I dont miss this fuzz about crappy drivers, PSUs that goes black, noice, having to install a shitload of free/shareware just to be able to do something.

        Simply put, I value my time, so I save money (and adrenaline) on my Mac's. If you dont mind all the crap that goes with cheap PC hardware, Apple is simply not for you, so dont "whine" about not being able to buy a cheap Mac.
    • by Loco3KGT (141999) on Thursday April 28 2005, @08:01AM (#12370363)
      Uh, dude, you can't do that.

      you can't take a quote, edit it to death to remove the point of the sentence, and then call it hype. "consumer" was the key freakin point in that sentence and you just said "haha no. I shall rewrite this to mean something else and then call them liars!"

      Can you show me another consumer desktop OS that's as stable, secure, and satisfying? It ain't Linux, Linux isn't 'consumer' enough. No more than a Ford F-850 is a 'consumer' truck.
    • by aendeuryu (844048) on Thursday April 28 2005, @08:13AM (#12370487)
      The plural of virus is viruses.
      Writing "virri" doesn't make you look clever, educated people will laugh at you.


      Speak for yourself. Not all of us trot out our soapboxen for such little things.